[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[knocky1]

Having looked at the 7 MPs set to seal his future he looks f##ked. My old MP Harriet, who I met in that near glorious year 1983, 2 Tories who don't care for the buffoon, an SNP MP (no more need be said) and a Tory and Labour MP I don't know anything about.
So not full of Labour. 2 week suspension handed out and agreed by a non Whip vote in the Commons, followed by 10% of Ruislip voters demanding a Bye Election and he loses his seat.

Time to mobilise the gang @spence

 

[sparkie]

What a load of tosh - of course people could meet, they could meet at work.
Not everyone was isolating, not bus drivers, train drivers, nurses, factory workers, farmers, police, armed forces, journalists, builders, shopworkers,etc etc, and especially politicians of all parties.
You could also go outside for exercise and walk your dog as long as you kept 2 metres apart.
Get your facts right.

If you wanted to party at work you had to get a job in "DownIt" Street, lol.

 

[The Clamp]

Ah! So it’s Jack’s fault. Note how many times he mentions the name Jack Doyle. Make sure that name gets into the public’s head. It was Jack.Jack. Got that? Jack Doyle said it was okay.

He’s such a ****.

Boris Johnson ‘very much looking forward’ to appearing before MPs investigating whether he misled parliament over Partygate – live

Former prime minister says he believes evidence shows he did not recklessly mislead parliament over Partygate

www.theguardian.com

 

[Gwylan]

There are also people who consider any kind of comparison between governments to be whataboutery, thereby removing any option for comparison, as suits their narrative.

But I’m sure that isn’t the case here either

But it's not the case, there's absolutely no comparison between the ERG and the Socialist Campaign Group.

Sunak has followed Johnson in keeping the ERG onside. There are six ERG members in the current cabinet and several who are junior ministers. Starmer has zero SCG members within his shadow cabinet and goes out of his way to marginalised members of the group.

Comparing ERG and SCG is almost a textbook definition of whataboutery

 

[A1X]

I seem to remember Starmer in a photo with a beer bottle in a meeting.

I lose track, was that the one where the police found no rules were broken, the one where he was clearly stood 2m apart from every one else or the one which was taken before lockdown they then tried to pass off as being during lockdown even though someone in the photo had died in 2019?

 

[Nobby]

What a load of tosh - of course people could meet, they could meet at work.
Not everyone was isolating, not bus drivers, train drivers, nurses, factory workers, farmers, police, armed forces, journalists, builders, shopworkers,etc etc, and especially politicians of all parties.
You could also go outside for exercise and walk your dog as long as you kept 2 metres apart.
Get your facts right.

Bit stupid telling people to get your facts right when you get yours wrong. In my humble opinion of course

 

[Nobby]

“Not a shred of Evidence”

 

[Rdodge30]

But it's not the case, there's absolutely no comparison between the ERG and the Socialist Campaign Group.

Sunak has followed Johnson in keeping the ERG onside. There are six ERG members in the current cabinet and several who are junior ministers. Starmer has zero SCG members within his shadow cabinet and goes out of his way to marginalised members of the group.

Comparing ERG and SCG is almost a textbook definition of whataboutery

Well only time will tell, we will have to see. I make the comparison because I see the ERG as a small (20-30) group of right wing MP’s who have been a constant problem for their party often derailing policy. It’s only my view but I could easily see the SCG playing a very similar role during the next Labour Government, as I say only time will tell.

Again it’s only my personal view but the whole accusation of ‘whataboutery’ is bewildering in terms of healthy debate.

Here is some comparison to this Government’s attitude towards immigration that was in the same Times article this weekend (source)- that also had some strong views on how the SCG are preparing for Government. you can dismiss it as whataboutery all you like

Is Alastair Campbell, who condemned government policy last week, aware that his mentor Tony Blair — with other EU leaders — lifted the arms embargo on the murderous despot Colonel Gaddafi in 2004 as a quid pro quo for the Libyan leader shutting his borders to the sub-Saharan exodus? That’s right: we gave guns to a psychopath engaged in extrajudicial assassinations in return for his stemming the flow of people. Indeed, the entire thrust of western foreign policy for quarter of a century has been to implement policies described as “partnership agreements” — which are mere cover stories, marketing doublethink, for erecting walls.

 

[nicko31]

What a load of tosh - of course people could meet, they could meet at work.
Not everyone was isolating, not bus drivers, train drivers, nurses, factory workers, farmers, police, armed forces, journalists, builders, shopworkers,etc etc, and especially politicians of all parties.
You could also go outside for exercise and walk your dog as long as you kept 2 metres apart.
Get your facts right.

There's always one...

 

[Bodian]

Has Jack Doyle given evidence to the committee? If not - I'm sure he will be called.

 

[Hotchilidog]

What a load of tosh - of course people could meet, they could meet at work.
Not everyone was isolating, not bus drivers, train drivers, nurses, factory workers, farmers, police, armed forces, journalists, builders, shopworkers,etc etc, and especially politicians of all parties.
You could also go outside for exercise and walk your dog as long as you kept 2 metres apart.
Get your facts right.

Wow the apologist in chief has arrived. Of course essential workers had no choice but the one rule for them one rule for us elite could do what they wanted. Get your facts straight

 

[Reddleman]

I agree the bill will pass anyway and about the ERG's ongoing idiocy, but what boil will replacing Johnson's 'Northern Ireland Protocol' with May's 'Northern Ireland backstop', now rebranded Sunak's 'Windsor Framework' lance exactly ?

By finally expelling the ERG from the party once and for all.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

There's meeting at work and then 'meeting' at work with tons of booze.

When I worked for the Civil Service, any alcohol consumption was instant dismissal, even at the pub at lunchtime, and certainly not on the premises.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I seem to remember Starmer in a photo with a beer bottle in a meeting.

Different year, different rules, but you know that already.

 

[clapham_gull]

I seem to remember Starmer in a photo with a beer bottle in a meeting.

As well you might, when the rules were different.

What somewhat gets overlooked is the problem of a drinking culture at No 10. Not so much after hours, but starting in the afternoon.

Whilst Johnson might try to use the excuse that under great pressure it was good for morale, the reality is that it pre-existed before the pandemic and it was really a case of carry on regardless.

I spoke to a parent (a Tory voter) of someone very much in the know who was working there at the time. The rules were knowingly ignored. Pre-existing behaviour was "excused" because of the circumstances.

 

[Guinness Boy]

What a load of tosh - of course people could meet, they could meet at work.
Not everyone was isolating, not bus drivers, train drivers, nurses, factory workers, farmers, police, armed forces, journalists, builders, shopworkers,etc etc, and especially politicians of all parties.
You could also go outside for exercise and walk your dog as long as you kept 2 metres apart.
Get your facts right.

Yes, nurses treating dying people while clad in inadequate and fraudulently acquired PPE and posh people downing wine and cake at pre arranged parties is obviously the same thing

 

[clapham_gull]

When I worked for the Civil Service, any alcohol consumption was instant dismissal, even at the pub at lunchtime, and certainly not on the premises.

Clearly not the case in Whitehall.

It used be quite the norm in my industry (particularly around Soho), but fizzled out years ago. I was genuinely surprised when the reports came out, particularly as young people don't tend to behave like they did a decade or so ago.

Of course people still get hammered on a Friday night (and the odd night during the week), but I thought wiping out Friday lunchtime (and the rest of the afternoon) whilst still at work was a 90s thing.

However talking to people who work in Whitehall apparently not.

I do have a mate who works in the civil service at a high level and they were surprised. But they are the sort of person who likes to get our of there in the evening at the first opportunity.

 

[monty uk]

It appears that the buffoon’s defence costs of £220,000, and rising, are being underwritten by the public in some sort of grand legal aid scheme.

Which is the equivalent of 0.3 pence per person.

That is, every man, woman and child is contributing one third of a penny to save his lardy arse. If everyone at the match on Sunday had thrown a coin into a giant bucket it would have raised around £100. Enough to pay for his legal advice for a few minutes.

All for the lying meatloaf. So, in the words of the real Meatloaf: “I want my money back”.

Failing that, I really hope he gets his just comeuppence.

 

[Flagship]

We weren’t allowed to hold parties, like that mob did.

I could mix with colleagues for a 14 hour shift but wasn’t allowed to sit next to them on the bus.

I couldn’t attend my step father’s funeral, held around the same time Johnson was raising a glass to a garden full of people who had no business being at No.10.

Plough the lot of them into a ditch.

I find your last sentence very offensive.

It's not the sort of language that should be used on a public forum especially associated with a family orientated football club.

Where are the moderators. You should be censured.

 

[The Clamp]

I find your last sentence very offensive.

It's not the sort of language that should be used on a public forum especially associated with a family orientated football club.

Where are the moderators. You should be censured.

Censured? You mean censored?

It’s oriented not orientated.

Report it to a mod.