[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[AlbionBro]

Point of order, Gary Lineker never mentioned the Nazis.

He compared the language of dehumanising of refugees to that of Germany in the 1930s,

Unfortunately it wasn't very smart of young Lineker, I think he may get a battering from this.
Incidentally why are we talking about Gary on this thread?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Unfortunately it wasn't very smart of young Lineker, I think he may get a battering from this.
Incidentally why are we talking about Gary on this thread?

On the contrary, many many people are backing him.

We are talking about him, because the Tories are in meltdown over what they think he said.

 

[AlbionBro]

On the contrary, many many people are backing him.

We are talking about him, because the Tories are in meltdown over what they think he said.

Oh okay, hope it doesn't blow up but it appears he has created a lot of tension, perhaps he is happy to go with a pay off if the BBC shows him the door?
I can see him doing a Piers Morgan type show on ITV.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Oh okay, hope it doesn't blow up but it appears he has created a lot of tension, perhaps he is happy to go with a pay off if the BBC shows him the door?
I can see him doing a Piers Morgan type show on ITV.

He’s self employed, so they can only cancel his contract but it will cost money. I suspect a lot of huff & puff, saying he will be spoken to, but nothing happens.

 

[nicko31]

Oh okay, hope it doesn't blow up but it appears he has created a lot of tension, perhaps he is happy to go with a pay off if the BBC shows him the door?
I can see him doing a Piers Morgan type show on ITV.

He hasn't created a lot of tension, the person creating the tension of our gobshite of a home secretary who shouldn't even be in office.

 

[hart's shirt]

Tonight's Question Time line-up:

Robert Jenrick MP (Immigration Minister)
Sarah Jones MP (Shadow Home Office Minister)
Yasmin Alibhai-Brown (author and journalist)
Ken Clarke (former Home Secretary and Chancellor)
Richard Madeley (broadcaster and writer)

 

[worthingseagull123]

He’s self employed, so they can only cancel his contract but it will cost money. I suspect a lot of huff & puff, saying he will be spoken to, but nothing happens.

I never understood the self employed aspect rather than be an employee.

Is that so save paying as much tax?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I never understood the self employed aspect rather than be an employee.

Is that so save paying as much tax?

He can claim more allowances for tax purposes, but it means he can advertise crisps or work for BT sport etc.

 

[clapham_gull]

I never understood the self employed aspect rather than be an employee.

Is that so save paying as much tax?

Presenting a show like that isn't a full time job unless there are other jobs to do during the week or in the summer.

I worked in production years ago for a very small company. When the production ended, I was looking for something else.

I'm not defending what has become of the media industry, but generally those you see on screen are either working for an independent production company or pulled in and out of the broadcaster when need be. The difference would be journalists and news presenters who are working longer hours behind the scenes and are on air a lot more than the presenter of MOTD.

In the modern world it appear to me really strange for a presenter of a once a week show following the football season to be "staff".

 

[A1X]

I haven't visited this thread for month's - nothing's changed!

Gary Lineker is again is a hero by comparing the governments immigration strategy to that of the Nazi's in the 1930's .

If you are honest, if you are intelligent, if you are young or old and wise, if you pride yourself in wanting the truth - get yourself a copy of Thames Televisions 1970's acclaimed series "The World at War". Every episode is extraordinary but in the context of Gary's claim three episodes stand out -

"A New Germany (1933–1939)"

"The final solution Part One"

"The final solution Part Two"

You will see real evidence of the absolute depravity of human begins - you will see total hatred, humiliation, the destruction of civilization whipped up by mind-blowing propaganda - you will see the actual footage and stupefyingly horrific murder of men, women and children - not acted - real footage - with survivors harrowing interviews and on a scale utterly, utterly inconceivable.

If you do this, you will view poor old Gary with sympathy and sadness!

The World at War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Hi, history MA with a specialism in Twentieth Century Europe here. Do you seriously think the Germans went from 0 to 100 overnight on this issue? Because if not, your post makes no sense. Literally nobody has claimed the Government is executing a holocaust. What they’re saying is the demonising and “othering” not just of refugees but of all sorts of targets has echoes of the early stages of the process that led to a very dark place.

Which it does. Take it from a historian.

 

[clapham_gull]

Unfortunately it wasn't very smart of young Lineker, I think he may get a battering from this.
Incidentally why are we talking about Gary on this thread?

"wasn't very smart ?"

He's a multi millionaire, very few sports people break through into media and as as successful (and talented) as him.

The reality is, is that if he did happen to lose the MOTD day job, he'd be instantly employed by another broadcaster on a greatly increased wage.

 

[chickens]

Presenting a show like that isn't a full time job unless there are other jobs to do during the week or in the summer.

I worked in production years ago for a very small company. When the production ended, I was looking for something else.

I'm not defending what has become of the media industry, but generally those you see on screen are either working for an independent production company or pulled in and out of the broadcaster when need be. The difference would be journalists and news presenters who are working longer hours behind the scenes and are on air a lot more than the presenter of MOTD.

In the modern world it appear to me really strange for a presenter of a once a week show following the football season to be "staff".

Yup, the BBC can’t have it both ways. Either it wants to be his exclusive employer, bring him onboard as a full-time employee and adhere to its strict impartiality rules, or it hires him as a freelancer for a specific show and accepts he has other gigs, he’s responsible for his own brand, and he says what he likes.

If that makes him unemployable for the BBC, then I’d be disappointed, but the BBC are being led by a Conservative Party plant atm, and where’s the impartiality there?

 

[Is it PotG?]

 

[chickens]

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He’s a freelancer, not an employee. He’s responsible for his own brand. The BBC would be pilloried if it paid GL enough for him to give up all his other gigs. The BBC isn’t a competitive employer, and that’s by the current government’s design.

 

[Is it PotG?]

He’s a freelancer, not an employee. He’s responsible for his own brand. The BBC would be pilloried if it paid GL enough for him to give up all his other gigs. The BBC isn’t a competitive employer, and that’s by the current government’s design.

Still, I'm sure he's still giving bed and board to many hapless souls arriving on these shores, his salary from the Beeb allows him that Shirley?

 

[clapham_gull]

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The major problem with that opinion is seemingly doesn't apply to presenters like Andrew Neil or Michael Portillo.

Andrew Neil (another brilliant broadcaster like Lineker) is the other side of the political coin. Managing in his presenting life to be completely impartial but on social media and his other media jobs to be very much of the "right".

The Government can't have it both ways.

I'm intelligent to separate the public service Lineker and Neil from their private incarnations.

Are you ?

A veteran shock jock like Brewer knows that damn well, but if she wasn't able to post what she doesn't actually believe she wouldn't have a career.

 

[Is it PotG?]

The major problem with that opinion is seemingly doesn't apply to presenters like Andrew Neil or Michael Portillo.

Andrew Neil (another brilliant broadcaster like Lineker) is the other side of the political coin. Managing in his presenting life to be completely impartial but on social media and his other media jobs to be very much of the "right".

The Government can't have it both ways.

I'm intelligent to seperate the public service Lineker and Neil from their private incarnations.

Are you ?

Which BBC show is Neil on again?

 

[chickens]

Still, I'm sure he's still giving bed and board to many hapless souls arriving on these shores, his salary from the Beeb allows him that Shirley?

He’s certainly helped people in the past. I don’t obsessively follow his life so I’ve no idea whether he still is, but still better to have done something than nothing, no?

 

[Is it PotG?]

He’s certainly helped people in the past. I don’t obsessively follow his life so I’ve no idea whether he still is, but still better to have done something than nothing, no?

I'm sure in a world where the lives of the wealthy with big houses are scrutinised and criticised on a regular basis, then an empty statement from the comfort of your vast and expensive wine cellar must be taken with a pinch of salt.

 

[clapham_gull]

Which BBC show is Neil on again?

Seriously ?

He presented the post Question Time This Week and the Daily Politics for years.

I'd have to say quite brilliantly.

However at the same time he was seemingly free to post whatever right of centre political viewpoint he desired on social media whilst editing the very right of centre Spectator magazine.

Attacking Lineker (a football presenter not a political journalist) and not looking at what Neil was allowed to get away with is hypocrisy of the highest level.

Personally I'm comfortable with both.

This has nothing to do with impartiality, it's about a Government in crisis. If they weren't in such disarray none of them would care a jot.