Throw Ins

[Skint Gull]

Yes yes, the HIGHLIGHTS, you know, the BEST bits where things happen that illustrate the EFFECTIVE parts of football.

Apparently you think I should watch the BAD bits, where they take RUBBISH throwins and say to myself "that's alright then, we do rubbish throwins just like United, so we must be doing something RIGHT".

Yes, that illustrates a lot, our rubbish is acceptable for the Premiership connoisseurs who watch the bits that are too bad to be seen on MOTD.

I really do admire you optimism but come off it! Our players are not as good as Premiership players, so therefore don't expect ours to do what the premiership ones can.

Why do you not play pro football NMH? Is is because you can't jump and win a header in the air? Is it because you can't curl a 25 yard free kick into the top corner? No, most able bodies people could do that.

The difference is how consistently you can do it!

If i'm in the middle of a football pitch and you throw me the ball i reckon 2 in 5 attempts i'll be able to hold of a tackle from a pro footballer. If you throw the ball to Hammond or Reid they'd probably hold them off 4 out of 5. If you throw the ball to Fabregas he'll probably hold the ball 19/20.

I have absolutely no doubt if we throw in a 50/50 ball to Reid in the middle of the park on Saturday, he loses out and we concede a goal you'll be one of the first to moan about it!

As much as it'd be nice to think otherwise there's a reason why top players are paid more in a week than our guys get in a year!


Edit: And in terms of the highlights i'm sure if you watch every goal we've scored this season 2 or 3 will have started with us taking a throw in

 

[Superphil]

I really do admire you optimism but come off it! Our players are not as good as Premiership players, so therefore don't expect ours to do what the premiership ones can.

To a degree I agree. But when you're taking a throw in or even short corner, surely even our players can be trained not to pass it straight back, therefore being offside. Let's face it, our competitirs can do it, and they have to learn how to run forwards at the right time to get the offside.

I really think that sometimes our players are making real schoolboy errors (sorry for the poor analagy), and they ARE NOT schoolboys. They are paid a lot of money, and really should raise their standards. If that is down to the Manager/Coach, then they need to look again at the training regime, and put a stop to it.

 

[Skint Gull]

To a degree I agree. But when you're taking a throw in or even short corner, surely even our players can be trained not to pass it straight back, therefore being offside. Let's face it, our competitirs can do it, and they have to learn how to run forwards at the right time to get the offside.

I've seen plenty of players on other teams do that at all standards of the game so there's no way its an Albion only problem? I presume this happened on Saturday did it? Play the way you're facing is something that you're taught at a very young age and it is usually the best way of keeping the ball and working little triangles of possession to create space. I can certainly understand your frustration if it's obviously gonna be offside but as I said, these thing happen with every team whether they're winning or losing and it's only ever when you're on a bad run of form people start to comment on it!

 

[NMH]

I really do admire you optimism but come off it! Our players are not as good as Premiership players, so therefore don't expect ours to do what the premiership ones can.

Why do you not play pro football NMH? Is is because you can't jump and win a header in the air? Is it because you can't curl a 25 yard free kick into the top corner? No, most able bodies people could do that.

The difference is how consistently you can do it!

If i'm in the middle of a football pitch and you throw me the ball i reckon 2 in 5 attempts i'll be able to hold of a tackle from a pro footballer. If you throw the ball to Hammond or Reid they'd probably hold them off 4 out of 5. If you throw the ball to Fabregas he'll probably hold the ball 19/20.

I have absolutely no doubt if we throw in a 50/50 ball to Reid in the middle of the park on Saturday, he loses out and we concede a goal you'll be one of the first to moan about it!

As much as it'd be nice to think otherwise there's a reason why top players are paid more in a week than our guys get in a year!


Edit: And in terms of the highlights i'm sure if you watch every goal we've scored this season 2 or 3 will have started with us taking a throw in

Granted we are not Prem players, but then neither are the opposition players. Why you think we would not benefit from occasionally taking a QUICK throw-in, or to somewhere OTHER than down the line, is beyond me.
Throwing the ball forward into space ahead of our own player doesn't seem unreasonable, but you talk about the extreme of throwing it to the centre of the park, to one of THEIR players, and it ending in a goal!
I realise we should worry about a ball anywhere in the park, according to that logic, and from any one of our possessions (which our throws also are, just an opportunity to pass the ball to one of our own), but why watch ANY football if you hold that we'll lose a goal from a pass. I seem to recall our midfielders (Jones Oatway, Carpenter) were called hopeless at passing a simple sideways ball to one of their own, so how a THROW-IN is going to suddenly place us in jeopardy if not sent down the line (after 2 minutes of preparation) is beyond me.

Whatever. Nothing you'e said has swayed me from my original belief - that we should find a way to take quicker throws, try putting the ball into spaces on the pitch (by making spaces to throw into), and force issues rather than pondering over what the opposition do first.

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

I think the reaosn is, whenever we get a dead ball, like a throw in, they f*** around trying to decide who is going to take it, wait for Whing to realise it's him, so he jogs up from the other side of the pitch, takes the ball and looks for someone to throw it to. Of course, by this time, the opposition have each taken one of our players, who are generally rooted to the spot, so he has no choice.

Another example (not a throw-in, I grant you), the winner against Bournemouth, Cox had been taking corners all night, pretty much each and every one of them carbon copies of the one before, place the ball, wait for our attackers to amble into the box, hit it high in the air, and land it in the keepers hands, nothing for the attackers to attack. But for the winner, the corner was won, Jake grabbed the ball, fired it in, low and fast, and without waiting an age, Revell did what strikers are supposed to do, directed it into the goal, simple.

This goes on throught the team, I guess it is a tactic from the training ground, but it doesn't work. Our players are not good enough, or bright enough to make this system work.

When they fire in quick balls, make early passes, into space, we look great, and we can score. This is an area where Revell revels, get the ball quickly to him on the wing, he will run and cross it before the defenders have a chance to react. It's what Bas used to do.

But Cox, Whing, Hammond and others, they seem to take an age to do anything, by the time they do, they have either been tackled, are in a difficult position to create from, or Nicky has gone too early and is now offside, or he's fallen asleep waiting.

Very well put. We are to slow and lack initiative from deal ball situations, even in open play we tend to"dordle" on the ball for too long. At this level Throw ins, free-kicks and corners are vital to success and the teams with managers who have a bettter tactical understanding of the game do it well.

Wilkins should try it more often and encourage the players to hit the free-kicks early and get the ball back in play sharpish from the throw.

 

[NMH]

Why do you not play pro football NMH? Is is because you can't jump and win a header in the air? Is it because you can't curl a 25 yard free kick into the top corner? No, most able bodies people could do that.

The difference is how consistently you can do it!

Note to SG - these ARE professional football players that people pay to play.
Whatever I play like is therefore irrelevent, but I usually played right wing, and could normally pass the ball exactly to my player - from crosses or ground passes. As it happens I could consistently curl kicks to the left or right - but I could do it with only my right, I don't have pace, can't dribble, and wasn't skilled enough to even make a Southwick squad.

But then, no-one ever paid money to watch me, because it was never my profession.

 

[NMH]

Very well put. We are to slow and lack initiative from deal ball situations, even in open play we tend to"dordle" on the ball for too long. At this level Throw ins, free-kicks and corners are vital to success and the teams with managers who have a bettter tactical understanding of the game do it well.

Wilkins should try it more often and encourage the players to hit the free-kicks early and get the ball back in play sharpish from the throw.

So, that's Superphil, Conboy, and NMH in agreement, and Skint Gull who seems to think it's too much to ask.