The Vaccine Thread

[Driver8]

The trial I’m on, Novavax, is expected to announce the results of the UK phase 3 trial (15,000 volunteers) any day now and the UK has 60m on order. If it’s positive and approved quickly that should help with the roll out.

All the initial findings are it’s the best of the lot.

There are no storage problems as it can be kept in a fridge and it’s cheap too.

 

[dazzer6666]

Unfortunately, the person from NHS England in charge of getting all the IT kit issued out seems to be.... Well, lets just say Ray Charles (blind & 16 years dead) could do a better job.

NHS IT seems to have been a disaster for years. Good example, Daughter was telling me that if they transfer a patient from her hospital to the adjoining region (Borders to Edinburgh - which happens often due to specialist units being in the City) they have no common system or ability to view or soft-transfer records, so they get faxed..........

Also, Zahawi is on Question Time at 7pm, BBC 1. Should be a good watch.

 

[Marty___Mcfly]

This is THE race. A truly global event. https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

 

[Poojah]

This is THE race. A truly global event. https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

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The eyes of the world are on Israel. It will be absolutely fascinating to see what happens to their cases and deaths over the next six to eight weeks.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

https://twitter.com/robpowellnews/status/1347117257948864512?s=21

Hopefully just start up issues

 

[Thunder Bolt]

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I wonder if they realise the Oxford vaccine has French and Dutch input?

 

[The Fits]

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I wonder if they realise the Oxford vaccine has French and Dutch input?

And is less effective.
People are weird.

Meanwhile....

MPs in Birmingham have asked the health secretary, Matt Hancock, to provide urgent clarity on the vaccine rollout in the city, as they said they were due to run out of the jabs by Friday and had no idea when more supplies would arrive.

Ian Ward, the leader of Birmingham city council, said he had learned that England’s second-biggest city – which has a population of 2.6 million – had not yet been supplied with any of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine and that its allocation of Pfizer/BioNTech jabs were due to run out by Friday, “with currently no clarity on when further supplies will arrive”.

 

[Billy the Fish]

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I wonder if they realise the Oxford vaccine has French and Dutch input?

Chinny reckon

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Chinny reckon

You’re calling Dr Paul Williams in Manchester a liar?

 

[Billy the Fish]

You’re calling Dr Paul Williams in Manchester a liar?

Yes I am.

I'm saying that (POLITICIAN) MP Paul Williams is at the very least embellishing the truth to push an agenda. If he didn't have an agenda then he wouldn't make that last comment. It doesn't give any detail, it's an empty anecdote designed to give his anti Brexit followers a stiffy.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Yes I am.

I'm saying that (POLITICIAN) MP Paul Williams is at the very least embellishing the truth to push an agenda. If he didn't have an agenda then he wouldn't make that last comment. It doesn't give any detail, it's an empty anecdote designed to give his anti Brexit followers a stiffy.

He isn’t an MP now. I’m sure the press will be investigating his claims.

 

[pastafarian]

its not clear why they have rejected using pharmacies. one suggestion is to enable them to continue serving customers to the pharmacy, rather than shutting for vaccine only.

Indeed
Had this conversation with my local Lloyds manager tonight ( after queuing outside in the freezing cold for 20 mins- max 3 indoors) . She was surprised her big bosses had even considered it, was relieved they were not going to be doing it. As she explained it is plainly obvious if they were doing the vaccine it would seriously hamper serving out medicines as well. Would be chaotic.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Indeed
Had this conversation with my local Lloyds manager tonight ( after queuing outside in the freezing cold for 20 mins- max 3 indoors) . She was surprised her big bosses had even considered it, was relieved they were not going to be doing it. As she explained it is plainly obvious if they were doing the vaccine it would seriously hamper serving out medicines as well. Would be chaotic.

For pharmacies that don't do flu jabs and haven't the facilities, it would be chaotic. But in September-October 2020 pharmacies in general managed 200,000 flu jabs per week, so I don't see any reason why they couldn't achieve the same rate of Oxford vaccine.

https://www.chemistanddruggist.co.u...1920-flu-vaccinations-record-under-two-months

 

[pastafarian]

For pharmacies that don't do flu jabs and haven't the facilities, it would be chaotic. But in September-October 2020 pharmacies in general managed 200,000 flu jabs per week, so I don't see any reason why they couldn't achieve the same rate of Oxford vaccine.

https://www.chemistanddruggist.co.u...1920-flu-vaccinations-record-under-two-months

Yep, thats what she said. Chaotic.

 

[crodonilson]

For pharmacies that don't do flu jabs and haven't the facilities, it would be chaotic. But in September-October 2020 pharmacies in general managed 200,000 flu jabs per week, so I don't see any reason why they couldn't achieve the same rate of Oxford vaccine.

https://www.chemistanddruggist.co.u...1920-flu-vaccinations-record-under-two-months

One thing that hasn't been mentioned much is there is a real risk when trying to deliver the vaccine at maximum speed of people inadvertently catching covid whilst waiting to receive their jab. We are doing this roll out when in some areas as many as 1 in 30 has the virus. Most pharmacies are relatively small and I can't imagine there is a huge amount of space for people to socially distance whilst waiting for their jabs, and waiting afterwards for any side effects, particularly if these pharmacies are open for normal purposes. So whilst i understand the need to roll out as quickly as possible we still need to be realistic. Covid loves a crowd, lets not inadvertently give the virus more opportuities to transmit than it already has and given it takes a few weeks to get some immunity and the maximum immunity won#t be reached for approx 15 weeks from the first jab we could be giving the death sentence to some highly vulnerable people when trying to protect them.

 

[dsr-burnley]

One thing that hasn't been mentioned much is there is a real risk when trying to deliver the vaccine at maximum speed of people inadvertently catching covid whilst waiting to receive their jab. We are doing this roll out when in some areas as many as 1 in 30 has the virus. Most pharmacies are relatively small and I can't imagine there is a huge amount of space for people to socially distance whilst waiting for their jabs, and waiting afterwards for any side effects, particularly if these pharmacies are open for normal purposes. So whilst i understand the need to roll out as quickly as possible we still need to be realistic. Covid loves a crowd, lets not inadvertently give the virus more opportuities to transmit than it already has and given it takes a few weeks to get some immunity and the maximum immunity won#t be reached for approx 15 weeks from the first jab we could be giving the death sentence to some highly vulnerable people when trying to protect them.

I'm sure they have looked into the statistics about whether it's better to have 200,000 jabs administered now in a pharmacy, or administered a year or two down the line in a surgery at the end of the process. If it was my choice, I'd take my chance at the pharmacy.

 

[dazzer6666]

I'm sure they have looked into the statistics about whether it's better to have 200,000 jabs administered now in a pharmacy, or administered a year or two down the line in a surgery at the end of the process. If it was my choice, I'd take my chance at the pharmacy.

What makes you think it’s going to take a ‘year or two’ ?

 

[dsr-burnley]

What makes you think it’s going to take a ‘year or two’ ?

If they go at it hell for leather, then it won't. It's just that if they start rejecting places like pharmacies (which we know can do 200,000 per week) as crodonilson is suggesting, then it will take longer.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I had to see my GP yesterday. When you ring the surgery, there is an automatic message to listen to before speaking to the receptionist. It says not to ring the surgery about access to the vaccine, as the local centre will be based at the Racecourse. My own surgery has no supplies of the vaccine.

 

[dazzer6666]

I had to see my GP yesterday. When you ring the surgery, there is an automatic message to listen to before speaking to the receptionist. It says not to ring the surgery about access to the vaccine, as the local centre will be based at the Racecourse. My own surgery has no supplies of the vaccine.

Completely standard and the same at mine. The last thing surgeries need is a million people ringing up asking about it.......and supplies are being ramped up over the next couple of weeks and far more centres being opened as AZ get the stuff into vials. [emoji2369]