The Sun and The Scousers

[Brighton Breezy]

I think the sun does have quite an influential part in elections.

The paper sells more then all the others put together so if decides to back a party then that means something.

It may not 'win' the election for the party but it certainly helps.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

I am sure you are right Richie.

 

[Brighton Breezy]

It is sad though that a paper can influence a lot of people to vote one way or another.

There is no way that a paper can win an entire election but if they constantly print articles slagging off one sides policy etc and basically defaming their character, it is going to influence how their readers vote.

sad but true.

 

[Tooting Gull]

Remember the Suns article on our Millwall game? The paper deserves all the contempt thrown at it.

I'm making no 'apology' for the Sun over that episode, because it was a farce. But if you send a journalist from New Nation with (presumably) some sort of reputation to cover a match, you cannot as an editor allow for some utter twat mistaking 'Seagulls' for 'Sieg Heil'. You have, at some point, to go with what your man or woman at the game is saying.

You then have to to grin, bear it and take the hit (obviously he won't get any more gigs) - my information is that if the Sun hadn't printed the apology they would have been sued for defamation, and probably lost - but it is not totally your fault.

Hillsborough is completely different. I'd say their chances of a rapprochement rely on a 30-year cycle of new readership. No Scouser I know has forgotten.

 

[Attilio the Hun]

The Sun is in a "damned if we do, damned if we don't" situation.

The apology may actually be sincere . . . but who's going to believe it? Everyone's first reaction is that it is merely a cynical exercise as The Sun bids to plug every identifiable circulation leak.

Apart form Murdoch himself, I don't know of any senior executives or senior editorial Sun staff who are still on the paper who were responsible at the time for the Hillsbrough coverage.

And if it's my turn to be cynical, I'd suggest the embers have been kept smouldering on Merseyside by the Liverpool Echo and Trinity Mirror group . . .

My own view is that the Hillsbrough situation was a 15-year-old boil on the The Sun's reputation that needed to be lanced.

The Sun has now apologised, the Scousers have said "stick it". That should be the end of the story. Never the twain . . . .


Edit:
A little coincidental fact . . .

Time between "The Truth" headline and The Sun's apology: 15 years.

Time between the Heysel Stadium disaster and Liverpool's apology: 15 years.

 

[Chesney Christ]

I think the sun does have quite an influential part in elections.

The paper sells more then all the others put together so if decides to back a party then that means something.

It may not 'win' the election for the party but it certainly helps.

Do you read The Sun, Richie?

 

[On the Left Wing]

What follows should be taken after this pinch of salt:

1. I am married to a scouser
2. I was a newspaper journalist for 20 years
3. I worked for Andrew Neil (former News International Editor)

Don't pretend the Sun is a newspaper. It is not. It is a gutter rag. The reason it survives is because the guilty hide their secrets in the gutter.

The offence against the people of Liverpool was repeated by its stable mates The Times and Sunday Times.

 

[WestStandLad]

Jesus Christ, if some of you are going to post on a subject then please have the decency to know what the fcuk you are talking about. Especially when it's a subject concerning people losing their lives.

"Liverpool supporters pi$$ed on the dead and stole from the decesed's pockets"

Replace the word Liverpool and add Brighton. Still feel the city is wallowing in self pity?

Shameful.

Fans United my @rse.

J96

 

[On the Left Wing]

The paper sells more then all the others put together

Sorry Richie .. you are a good bloke, but this is a grossly and factually incorrect

 

[Robot Chicken]

Sorry Richie .. you are a good bloke, but this is a grossly and factually incorrect

Official latest circulation figures:

The Sun: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 3,382,509
Daily Mail: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 2,409,121
Daily Express: Apr 04 - Sep 04: 2,066,000
Daily Mirror: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 1,748,327
The Daily Telegraph: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 920,745
Daily Star: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 861,825
The Times: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 686,327
The Guardian: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 376,816
The Independent: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 257,100

The News of the World: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 3,823,317
Mail on Sunday: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 2,446,465
Sunday Mirror: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 1,652,375
The Sunday Times: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 1,375,982
The People: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 1,001,389
Sunday Express: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 976,055
The Sunday Telegraph: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 692,107
Sunday Star: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 459,933
The Observer: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 446,818
The Independent on Sunday: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 206,527

Source: http://www.nmauk.co.uk/nma/do/live/factsAndFigures

 

[Attilio the Hun]

Official latest circulation figures:

The Sun: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 3,382,509
Daily Mail: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 2,409,121
Daily Express: Apr 04 - Sep 04: 2,066,000
Daily Mirror: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 1,748,327
Sunday Express: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 976,055
The Daily Telegraph: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 920,745
Daily Star: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 861,825
The Times: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 686,327
The Guardian: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 376,816
The Independent: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 257,100

The News of the World: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 3,823,317
Mail on Sunday: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 2,446,465
Sunday Mirror: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 1,652,375
The Sunday Times: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 1,375,982
The People: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 1,001,389
The Sunday Telegraph: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 692,107
Sunday Star: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 459,933
The Observer: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 446,818
The Independent on Sunday: 03 Jan 05 - 30 Jan 05: 206,527

Source: http://www.nmauk.co.uk/nma/do/live/factsAndFigures

No way the Express sells 2m+ ! It's fewer than 1m.

 

[Beach Hut]

I actually back the Scousers as the Sun deserved this.

 

[Bwian]

Jesus Christ, if some of you are going to post on a subject then please have the decency to know what the fcuk you are talking about. Especially when it's a subject concerning people losing their lives.

"Liverpool supporters pi$$ed on the dead and stole from the decesed's pockets"

Replace the word Liverpool and add Brighton. Still feel the city is wallowing in self pity?

Shameful.

Fans United my @rse.

J96

What he said

We get all precious when some paper or other gets the stadium bid issue all wrong-pales into insignificance when compared to the deaths of 96 people. Deaths that were avoidable.

 

[Minge]

No one came out of Hillsboro with any credit. The police were incompetent, too many scallies turned up trying to blag their way in, and the government of the day believed that football fans are animals and should be kept in cages. The FA should never have allocated Leppings Lane to Liverpool. All of the above contributed to the tragedy.

The Sun had it's own agenda against Liverpool because the city was so anti-Tory, and The Sun was up the arse of Thatch at the time, so it was a convenient opportunity to slag off the 'enemy'.

 

[oapdodge]

Never forget or forgive the Sun.

 

[Robot Chicken]

Never forget or forgive the Sun.

Hmmmm. This will depress you then...

Readership refers to the number of people reading a title on an average day over the stated time period.

Apr 04 - Sep 04: 8,906,000 (Source: NRS)

 

[oapdodge]

Hmmmm. This will depress you then...

Readership refers to the number of people reading a title on an average day over the stated time period.

Apr 04 - Sep 04: 8,906,000 (Source: NRS)

Oh well ! 8,906,000 are wrong. Yes it does depress me that there can be that many people willing to pay for that paper each day.

But then that is my opinion and they all have the right to buy what they like.

 

[London Irish]

Oh well ! 8,906,000 are wrong. Yes it does depress me that there can be that many people willing to pay for that paper each day.

The actual number of paid sales is the figure above, just over 3 million - that's the number who buy it. The 8.9m readership figure is a completely made up figure based on theoretical guesswork that for every one paper bought, three people will read it. I guess I fall into that latter category as a flick though the paper most days at work, mainly to look for subbing errors in the sports pages.

 

[Attilio the Hun]

The actual number of paid sales is the figure above, just over 3 million - that's the number who buy it. The 8.9m readership figure is a completely made up figure based on theoretical guesswork that for every one paper bought, three people will read it. I guess I fall into that latter category as a flick though the paper most days at work, mainly to look for subbing errors in the sports pages.

Not on my watch!

 

[Gully]

Don't really care much about the Sun, there is good and bad in the paper, it has the largest circulation of any daily paper and can undobtedly do a lot of good if it chooses to.

However, I would rather use my hand than the Daily Mirror if I ever ran short on the Andrex.