The Lords prayer

[glasfryn]

I go to the cinema quite a lot. At college I would go pretty much every week. I distinctly remember the odeon showing adverts with various celebrities discussing whether we should join the euro or not. (I can't remember whether they said yes or no, but they were all on one side of the discussion).




The first I heard about this, was seeing an article about Richard Dawkins supporting the church as having the right to have the advert shown.

I can remember the time when they used to play the National Anthem at the end of the films
and the rush to get out before it was played

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I go to the cinema quite a lot. At college I would go pretty much every week. I distinctly remember the odeon showing adverts with various celebrities discussing whether we should join the euro or not. (I can't remember whether they said yes or no, but they were all on one side of the discussion).

The first I heard about this, was seeing an article about Richard Dawkins supporting the church as having the right to have the advert shown.

Perhaps they changed their policy then but I have never seen a political ad at the cinema.

Surprised Dawkins has that view considering his hostility to all religions

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Yes, I think so, on both sides

Interesting view, how high does the body count have to get before the concerns become justifiable? Or does it only hit home if you become personally impacted.

 

[AlbionPics&SouthCoastTwit]

Originally a pagan festival I believe. Hi jacked by the christians and now being reclaimed!!!!!!

The truth is in the history!

Has this mid-winter festival been enhanced by a good-feeling "good-will toward men" that comes from christianity that it couldn't have survived without?

 

[studio150]

So the Church want it both ways, they want their advert in cinemas, but in the past have protested about films being screened and looking to ban them on moral grounds.

What next an American style bible belt protest outside cinemas not showing the advert. Maybe the R18 classification should be changed to RR to signify religious content and only those that can prove they are religious can enter to see the film (or prayer advert)

 

[Acker79]

Surprised Dawkins has that view considering his hostility to all religions

I think that's why it was news.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ays-uk-cinemas-should-screen-the-lords-prayer

 

[Deleted member 22389]

The PC brigade and politicians have already already set us on the path of eroding our culture and religion, so these types of stories don't surprise me anymore. Quite frankly I think it is a disgrace.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I think that's why it was news.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ays-uk-cinemas-should-screen-the-lords-prayer

I still strongly object to suppressing the ads on the grounds that they might ‘offend’ people. If anybody is ‘offended’ by something so trivial as a prayer, they deserve to be offended.”

Agree with him we shouldn't ban things (in most cases) for fear of causing offence but thought he might have considered it a good thing to limit religious advertising for the usual reason. (extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence)

 

[rool]

So the Church want it both ways, they want their advert in cinemas, but in the past have protested about films being screened and looking to ban them on moral grounds.

What next an American style bible belt protest outside cinemas not showing the advert. Maybe the R18 classification should be changed to RR to signify religious content and only those that can prove they are religious can enter to see the film (or prayer advert)

 

[RossyG]

Cinemas know that adverts for ideologies will just lead to them getting complaints from patrons who don't want to see propaganda for Christianity/Islam/Conservatism/Socialism etc.

This isn't about free speech. Cinemas are private businesses and don't have to give a platform to anyone. And the church will get their ad seen by many more people than they'd hoped because of the controversy. So everyone wins. Only they won't, because the right will use it as a stick to thrash atheists with.

 

[cheshunt seagull]

Sorry to be pedantic, but that makes you an agonstic then. An atheist lacks faith in God, believes there is no god, or lacks awareness of gods. An agnostic either believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a god or is non-committal on the issue. I believe, you, like me fall into the latter camp!
Some good points made here though with regards opening the floodgates - if the CofE can show their "commercial" then so can any other religion, crackpot or otherwise, or fear the call of discrimination!

Again being a bit pedantic myself I would say that an atheist (and I am one) thinks that there is no reason to believe in a god (or gods) because of a lack of any evidence; it is an absence of belief negative or positive. An agnostic just doesn't know whether there is a god and, technically, we must all be agnostics as no-one can possibly be sure; it is just that some take a leap of faith. Atheism relates to belief (or lack of it) agnosticsm relates to knowledge and these are totally different things.

 

[dingodan]

I love all of this "we live in a secular society" so prayers should be banned.

We do live in a secular society, but I thought the wonder of our secular society was that we are welcoming and tolerant of all peoples and beliefs, rather than none of them.

What are the ills of a deeply religious society which is ordered based on strict religious doctrine? Intolerance, the silencing of other beliefs (usually deemed to be offensive etc).

If you take the view that this or that belief or prayer should not be allowed then understand that you are advocating the tenents of a strict religious society, not a free and secular one.

 

[lawros left foot]

Interesting view, how high does the body count have to get before the concerns become justifiable? Or does it only hit home if you become personally impacted.

Humans have been slaughtering each other over religion for millennia, this bunch of madmen are just another bunch of religious fascists in a very long line, so the body count is already way way too high.
The difference now, is because of electronic news gathering, every thing is instantly reported to the populace, meaning people are worried that they're next. I can't remember the exact statistic, but aren't you something like seven times more likely to be struck by lightening than die in a terrorist attack in this country. I despair that in this day and age, people are still being massacred over an idea that I quite honestly find ridiculous, and I mean all religion, not just radical Islam

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Humans have been slaughtering each other over religion for millennia, this bunch of madmen are just another bunch of religious fascists in a very long line, so the body count is already way way too high.
The difference now, is because of electronic news gathering, every thing is instantly reported to the populace, meaning people are worried that they're next. I can't remember the exact statistic, but aren't you something like seven times more likely to be struck by lightening than die in a terrorist attack in this country. I despair that in this day and age, people are still being massacred over an idea that I quite honestly find ridiculous, and I mean all religion, not just radical Islam

Agree with you on all counts. The chances of being involved in a terrorist incident are minuscule although having concerns about religious beliefs leading to (in this case Islamic) extremism/terrorism isn't just about the likelihood of getting killed.

 

[gregbrighton]

I don't want religious commercials rammed down my bloody throat. Keep them all off the the big screen on my night out...

 

[Tommy Tradlles]

Should 'Abide with Me' be allowed at the cup final? It is a Christian hymn.

 

[RossyG]

Should 'Abide with Me' be allowed at the cup final? It is a Christian hymn.

Ideally, no.

But it's a tradition now and people like their traditions.

 

[Tommy Tradlles]

Ideally, no.

But it's a tradition now and people like their traditions.

It is interesting how people find Christianity 'offensive' in one context and not another. Imagine town councils banning carol singers during the Christmas period. Would we agree with this or complain that it ruins the tradition of Christmas? In Chichester, the churches hand out hot cross buns on Good Friday. Is this forcing the Christian faith on people or is it a generous gift?

I am just interested to know if and when it is acceptable for religion to play a part in the public life of this country?

 

[Gwylan]

Never mind the ads, what I want to know is when did the Lord's Prayer change? When I learned it, the opening line was "Our Father, which art in heaven" it now, according to the ad, it's "Our Father in heaven". Political correctness gone mad

 

[RossyG]

As a kid in assembly, I used to like the idea of witches creating art in heaven.