The incident in Southend town centre

[The Merry Prankster]

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The main cause of this tragedy was the ramshackle stadium and the ticketing/segragation issue.[/QUOTE]

I have noticed a tendency amongst hoolie apologists to blame anyone except the hoolies and this is a spectacular example.

 

[Beach Hut]

I am afraid you are very wrong there mate. The Italians charged inside the ground were not inciting the Liverpool supporters, they were what has become known there days as 'scarfers'. The Liverpool supporters behind the goal were taking part in running the Italians, thus taking the end for themselves. This was a usual practice in Europe where the bowl stadia with just mesh wire seperation made this practice relativley easy.

The section next to where the Liverpool fans were situated were tickets on general sale ie not given to Juve or Liverpool football clubs to sell, although the majority were sold to Italians oin the black market.

The Liverpool fans were hell bent on getting some sort of revenge that day for the treatment they received in Roma in the Euro final the year before where they played Roma. Numerous scousers were stabbed and slashed inside and outside the ground although very little of this was reported in the media.

On the day of the disaster Liverpool fans had been drinking all day in the main square in the sun. Reports are that supporters form other clubs were in attendance as well and National Front leaflets were being handed out. There were some skirmishes with the Italians on the way to the ground but nothing major.

The main cause of this tragedy was the ramshackle stadium and the ticketing/segragation issue.

Clearly you never saw the spanish transmission of the game that I did in Majorca where there was a huge pitch battle going on outside the stadium but I am sure you know best.

 

[Sooty the Thief]

I was in Brussles that day working for the Daily Mirror (although I did not go to the game). There were bits and peices of trouble outside the ground but I do not recall pitched battles although I may have missed them.

 

[RSBLUEANDWHITEARMY]

I am afraid you are very wrong there mate. The Italians charged inside the ground were not inciting the Liverpool supporters, they were what has become known there days as 'scarfers'. The Liverpool supporters behind the goal were taking part in running the Italians, thus taking the end for themselves. This was a usual practice in Europe where the bowl stadia with just mesh wire seperation made this practice relativley easy.

The section next to where the Liverpool fans were situated were tickets on general sale ie not given to Juve or Liverpool football clubs to sell, although the majority were sold to Italians oin the black market.

The Liverpool fans were hell bent on getting some sort of revenge that day for the treatment they received in Roma in the Euro final the year before where they played Roma. Numerous scousers were stabbed and slashed inside and outside the ground although very little of this was reported in the media.

On the day of the disaster Liverpool fans had been drinking all day in the main square in the sun. Reports are that supporters form other clubs were in attendance as well and National Front leaflets were being handed out. There were some skirmishes with the Italians on the way to the ground but nothing major.

The main cause of this tragedy was the ramshackle stadium and the ticketing/segragation issue.

You may be correct in most of that, especially the point about Rome. However I have never spoken to anybody that said the Juventus fans did not provoke the Liverpool fans. From a report that I read years ago there was a game on before the actual main event, the teams that were involved in this match wore the colors of both sides (red and black) the red kitted opposition had won the game 2-0 I think. This lead to the Liverpool fans winding up the Juventus fans, the back and forth winding up became overheated leading to the scousers becoming so angry they charged the fence and the surrounding Juventus fans. I just pray no stadium disaster ever happens again.

 

[LA1972]

So the Southend Echo says there was a fight on Southend seafront and there is a photo of a very large group of police with 10? fans. So why does this cause so much interest and debate - more so than the game that many, many hundreds of Brighton fans gave up their whole day and hard earned cash for?

 

[RSBLUEANDWHITEARMY]

So the Southend Echo says there was a fight on Southend seafront and there is a photo of a very large group of police with 10? fans. So why does this cause so much interest and debate - more so than the game that many, many hundreds of Brighton fans gave up their whole day and hard earned cash for?

Because people on here don't expect 'football hooligans' to support Brighton and are shocked to hear of such a thing.

 

[LA1972]

Because people on here don't expect 'football hooligans' to support Brighton and are shocked to hear of such a thing.

Strange that because I have been a Brighton fan for 31 years and cant think of a season that has been completely trouble free - I think I have become immune to footy-fan fighting cant see what all the fuss is about

 

[Billy the Fish]

Strange that because I have been a Brighton fan for 31 years and cant think of a season that has been completely trouble free - I think I have become immune to footy-fan fighting cant see what all the fuss is about

Lots of people on here only started going to the Albion post Withdean.

 

[robbie c]

Let's put the incident in context

there were 1333 Brighton fans in the ground

there were 16 people arrested in the incident of which 10 were from Brighton

10/1333 is ten too many but insignificant; the cells in Southend are usually pretty full on a Saturday and I know they were expecting a busy day/night due to it being the first hot day of the year, and lads/ladettes drinking all day

 

[Captain Haddock]

The Liverpool fans were hell bent on getting some sort of revenge that day for the treatment they received in Roma in the Euro final the year before where they played Roma. Numerous scousers were stabbed and slashed inside and outside the ground although very little of this was reported in the media.

On the day of the disaster Liverpool fans had been drinking all day in the main square in the sun. Reports are that supporters form other clubs were in attendance as well and National Front leaflets were being handed out. There were some skirmishes with the Italians on the way to the ground but nothing major.

The main cause of this tragedy was the ramshackle stadium and the ticketing/segragation issue.

This is indeed the way I have been told it from various quarters (a journo I vaguely used to know, some Scousers I'm acquainted with who were there in both '84 AND '85 and via other retropective media and eye-witness accounts I have read).


Scarfed renegade 'slashers' on mopeds was (and still is) Roma Ultras' method of choice, I believe.

 

[Carrot Cruncher]

Thanks to the actions of the few, we were refused entry to a massively cheesey 80's nightclub.

I hope you're ruddy proud of yourselves...

 

[HseagullsH]

In regard to three month/year bans/lifetime bans, how are these imposed?

I mean there must be thousands of fans that are banned from football grounds. Surely it is impossible to prevent all these attending games?

Can't they just get a friend to buy them tickets from then on..?

 

[poidy]

Acting on information received , police officers wait for Albion's firm to board the LoveBus.

All i wanna know is what the f*** went on just before full time because all these gimps were rounded up prior to our exit from the stadium? My initial reaction on leavin the ground was that it was southend who had come round to the away end for a scrap and had then promptly been rounded up. Can anyone confirm that this lot were Brighton. Im assumin they wernt involved in the seafront ruck so just intrigued to know what they were doin in a police corden at 16.45

 

[patchamalbion]

11 Brighton arrested so you can now be rest assured they're get banned,why are people assuming the 15 or so under escort in that video is all of the Brighton lads from Saturday?

 

[matt]

11 Brighton arrested so you can now be rest assured they're get banned

... I assume they would have to be found guilty of something first, or can the club ban who they want irrespective of the process of the Justice System?

 

[The Spanish]

The culture of football is never going to change

how do you work that out? Its a lot f***ing different from the 80s. Now I love watching a bit of disorder as much as the next man. I think its funny as f*** when people start performing, up to a point.

but

those days are long gone. it reminds me of those people you see who are still mods or skins something, trying to capture an age and culture that has gone.
dont tell me all that oh there are loads of people still active or give it all the ITK bollocks. of course it kicks off if there are hundreds of pissed up blokes. anywhere.

but that 'culture', as you say, is long dead, the culture did change and changed into loads of face painting bell ends smug arseholes and people who pretend to cry when they get relegated. they are the dominant English football culture now.

In the meantime normal people just go to matches have a few pints and a laugh. That is the REAL english football culture. That wont change. The rest of the crap just comes and goes.

 

[brighton bluenose]

They use their rapier like wit in order to savage their opponents

But you wouldn't actually 'savage' someone with a rapier now would you??!!

 

[rusty redeyes]

... I assume they would have to be found guilty of something first, or can the club ban who they want irrespective of the process of the Justice System?

To be found guilty, they would have to be charged and I've seen no mention of that, so all are presumed innocent for now

 

[Hunting 784561]

But you wouldn't actually 'savage' someone with a rapier now would you??!!

you haven't seen what my rapier is capable of !!!

 

[Danny-Boy]

To be constantly pregnant with rage, to always be on the look out for a fight must be driven by poor relationships with their fathers, frustrations in the job market or an inability to maintain an erection.

They might be wimmin...