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[Politics] The General Election Thread

How are you voting?

  • Conservative and Unionist Party

    Votes: 176 32.3%
  • Labour Party

    Votes: 146 26.8%
  • Liberal Democrat’s

    Votes: 139 25.5%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 44 8.1%
  • Independent Candidate

    Votes: 4 0.7%
  • Monster Raving Looney Party

    Votes: 7 1.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 29 5.3%

  • Total voters
    545
  • Poll closed .


Tom Hark Preston Park

Will Post For Cash
Jul 6, 2003
70,953
Pitiful? In Dec 2015, after Storm Desmond, Cameron could have applied for money from the EU to help with flood relief and to build up flood defences but he had to do it within 12 weeks of the flooding.
The leader of the LibDems, Tim Farron, even reminded him before the end of February 2016, but Cameron failed to do so.

Maybe the victims of the floods, hearing how the EU millions could have helped them, have been influenced to vote Remain in June of that year.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/22/uk-days-from-losing-125m-eu-flood-fund-aid-tim-farron

The UK government can no more control flooding than the Aussie government can control bushfires. No matter how much money you chuck at the thing, it'll never be enough.
 






Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
The UK government can no more control flooding than the Aussie government can control bushfires. No matter how much money you chuck at the thing, it'll never be enough.

Oh that's alright then. £125million going begging when those poor people could have help.
Keeping rivers clear of debris and dredging channels don't help one iota, I suppose.
 


Lever

Well-known member
Feb 6, 2019
5,404
You are so SO thick. :nono: You clearly don't know what democracy actually is.

If the LibDems won the election, they'd clearly have a mandate to bin Brexit. That is parliamentary democracy. This is in contrast to the Tories who couldn't get a shit Brexit deal through a democratically elected parliament, so tried to shut it down.

Now you have completely blindsided him with logic. I don't suppose he will reflect on that though!
 








Bold Seagull

strong and stable with me, or...
Mar 18, 2010
29,974
Hove
Jeremy Corbyn is the most unpopular opposition party leader of the past 45 years for a reason though. Labour will not win I'm afraid. Corbyn is a useless leader.

Corbyn got a huge vote share in 2017. He's only been leader since just before the referendum where politics has fractured and the anti-austerity message lost in the noise of Brexit and partisan politics. Once he gets a bit of fair air time, the message tends to resonate with people. His great battle is turning the focus away from Brexit, that battle can be settled either way with Labour, but their are more important things to consider.
 


Ernest

Stupid IDIOT
Nov 8, 2003
42,748
LOONEY BIN
Corbyn got a huge vote share in 2017. He's only been leader since just before the referendum where politics has fractured and the anti-austerity message lost in the noise of Brexit and partisan politics. Once he gets a bit of fair air time, the message tends to resonate with people. His great battle is turning the focus away from Brexit, that battle can be settled either way with Labour, but their are more important things to consider.

He's hitting home today over the lack of action by the Tories on the floods in Yorkshire
 




Bob!

Coffee Buyer
Jul 5, 2003
11,251
Britain Elects‏ [MENTION=36357]Bri[/MENTION]tainelects ·3 hours ago

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 35% (+1)
LAB: 29% (+3)
LDEM: 17% (-2)
BREX: 10% (-2)
GRN: 1% (-)

via @Survation, 06 - 08 Nov
Chgs. w/ 30 Oct
 


Bozza

You can change this
Helpful Moderator
Jul 4, 2003
56,020
Back in Sussex
Jeremy Corbyn is the most unpopular opposition party leader of the past 45 years for a reason though. Labour will not win I'm afraid. Corbyn is a useless leader.

Laura something-or-other, representing Labour, was on Politics Live on BBC2 at lunchtime today. In an act that displayed a bizarre lack of self awareness she told Chuka Umunna it was fantasy (or similar) that the Lib Dems could win this election.

Fortunately for realists everywhere, Gina Miller was also on the panel and she wasn't shy in saying that it's also fanciful that Labour could win.
 






Guinness Boy

Tofu eating wokerati
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NSC Patron
Jul 23, 2003
35,205
Up and Coming Sunny Portslade
Britain Elects‏ [MENTION=36357]Bri[/MENTION]tainelects ·3 hours ago

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 35% (+1)
LAB: 29% (+3)
LDEM: 17% (-2)
BREX: 10% (-2)
GRN: 1% (-)

via @Survation, 06 - 08 Nov
Chgs. w/ 30 Oct

It's interesting that the two most extreme Brexit positions - the Brexit Party and Lib Dems - are the ones losing there. Will also be interesting to see if people really do simply vote according to Brexit or if they can manage to see beyond it. After all, we're supposedly coming out on 31 Jan and the new government will then have nearly 5 years to shape the country (unless, of course, we end up hung again).

If that gap between LAB and CON shortens any more Brexit are in a real danger of splitting the right wing vote and letting in Corbyn. Add that 10% on to Johnson and he could pretty much beat up a pensioner live on telly and still get in.

However, the date of that poll is quite telling. Anything taken from yesterday onwards will be completely misleading when it comes to the Brexit party since they'll only be standing in just over 50% of the available seats. Will the pollsters adjust for it? And what will it do to the leaders?
 


Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
54,396
Surrey
Laura something-or-other, representing Labour, was on Politics Live on BBC2 at lunchtime today. In an act that displayed a bizarre lack of self awareness she told Chuka Umunna it was fantasy (or similar) that the Lib Dems could win this election.

Fortunately for realists everywhere, Gina Miller was also on the panel and she wasn't shy in saying that it's also fanciful that Labour could win.
Yeah I was watching that myself. Absolutely baffling to me that the Jeremy Corbyn apologists really don't see that they have their little clique who are sent in raptures every time he opens his mouth but nobody else has much time for the bloke at all, and the real issue for Labour here is that this is for a variety of reasons. From facile stuff like the way he presents himself, to his historic sympathies for the IRA, the fact that he is a committed socialist, or whether they consider him a hypocrite who spent his political career voting against his own party in the commons but was quick to expel Campbell for voting Lib Dem over Brexit, or merely the fact that Labour are stained with anti-semitism on his watch.

So many reasons (and they're just the ones I can think of) to see that he simply is not electable to too many people.
 


Chicken Run

Member Since Jul 2003
NSC Patron
Jul 17, 2003
18,828
Valley of Hangleton
I'm afraid I am, going to have to disagree, double down and ignore whatever evidence you have to this effect......

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I can’t ignore the evidence!!
 




SAC

Well-known member
May 21, 2014
2,584
Laura something-or-other, representing Labour, was on Politics Live on BBC2 at lunchtime today. In an act that displayed a bizarre lack of self awareness she told Chuka Umunna it was fantasy (or similar) that the Lib Dems could win this election.

Fortunately for realists everywhere, Gina Miller was also on the panel and she wasn't shy in saying that it's also fanciful that Labour could win.

Not sure what your point is here, it is fanciful that the Libs could win this general election whereas it is very unlikely Labour will.
 


Bozza

You can change this
Helpful Moderator
Jul 4, 2003
56,020
Back in Sussex
Not sure what your point is here, it is fanciful that the Libs could win this general election whereas it is very unlikely Labour will.

My point is I don't believe either of those parties can win this election.

Are the tactical voting websites giving people the suggestion they would expect?

Using Gina Miller's - https://www.remainunited.org - for East Worthing and Shoreham, I'm told that it is a safe seat and there are no tactical voting opportunities.

However https://getvoting.org tells me I should vote Labour, which I think is the correct approach for a pro-remainer.
 


Jan 30, 2008
31,981
You are so SO thick. :nono: You clearly don't know what democracy actually is.

If the LibDems won the election, they'd clearly have a mandate to bin Brexit. That is parliamentary democracy. This is in contrast to the Tories who couldn't get a shit Brexit deal through a democratically elected parliament, so tried to shut it down.
You're deluded but thanks for your reply
Regards
DF
 


Bold Seagull

strong and stable with me, or...
Mar 18, 2010
29,974
Hove
My point is I don't believe either of those parties can win this election.

Are the tactical voting websites giving people the suggestion they would expect?

Using Gina Miller's - https://www.remainunited.org - for East Worthing and Shoreham, I'm told that it is a safe seat and there are no tactical voting opportunities.

However https://getvoting.org tells me I should vote Labour, which I think is the correct approach for a pro-remainer.

East Worthing and Shoreham is a big target for Labour. 10% swing toward Labour in 2017 reducing a 15,000 majority to 5000. Lib Dems have 5% of the vote at best and a non starter. So you probably are correct. I'd hate for you to put Corbyn in no.10 though. :hilton:
 




Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
54,396
Surrey
You're deluded but thanks for your reply
Regards
DF
You seem to be using the word "deluded" quite a lot on these threads. Do you actually know what it means? Only, it's quite clear I'm not remotely deluded because I've just patronisingly explained to you why you're so thick and don't understand the meaning of the word "democracy". Please don't make me explain to you the word "deluded" too.
 


JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
Britain Elects‏ [MENTION=36357]Bri[/MENTION]tainelects ·3 hours ago

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 35% (+1)
LAB: 29% (+3)
LDEM: 17% (-2)
BREX: 10% (-2)
GRN: 1% (-)

via @Survation, 06 - 08 Nov
Chgs. w/ 30 Oct

Before the Corbynistas get too excited ... 3 more recent polls suggest there is no closing of the gap.

http://britainelects.com/polling/westminster/

But I expect the polls will narrow at some point .... probably when the Labour manifesto is released and we all find out we will never have to pay for anything ever again :flypig:
 


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