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[Albion] The Fan Advisory Board Thread



Colonel Mustard

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I have brought this up a few times to the club in reference to two away games on sale at the same time and have yet to receive a response. Its annoying as you want to select the best seats for both games but can't.
Fair enough, that's another good reason for staggered times. TBH, I'm struggling to think of any benefits to sales windows opening at the same time. Though no doubt if/when they do stagger them, there will be a chorus of disapproval from some who prefer to do it all in one go! I think Abraham Lincoln had a quote about this...
 




jackalbion

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My thoughts exactly. Almost every thread on here has opposing views on any and every subject ... so one person saying they'd like ticket sales starting at 1pm doesn't reflect what others think.

9am works for me for the reasons you've given.
I agree 9am is perfect as (I used to before this queuing system) be able to get in and out in a minute or so.
 




stewart12

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That said, I used the P&R at Mill Rd for the first few seasons and didn't really see it as too much of a problem but my recent very sporadic use of that service has led to lengthy delays post match which I'm guessing is due to the effective halving of capacity when the bendy buses were retired!
We also lost Mithras House from the early Amex years which put more pressure on Mill Rd and the Racecourse as well as the fact that we get consistently higher crowds now
 


hans kraay fan club

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  • Regarding the park and ride, I'd like to see a charge introduced for the service, and make it bookable in advance. It's annoying to have to turn up so early to be sure of a place at the racecourse. I'd happily pay £5 for a guaranteed place. Or perhaps a 'speedy boarding' sort of arrangement. So that people who pay in advance and actually have a car parked at the P and R are allowed on the first tranche of buses away from the ground at the end. The later buses that return to the ground could then be made available to all. People get very upset when I suggest that the P and R buses should primarily service fans who actually use the P and R, rather than those who just want a free bus away from the ground. But that's my view anyway.
But you already ARE paying towards that service, and so is every single other ticket holder, regardless of whether they park a car in Mill Road. A family of four using the Mill Road bus as a convenient route home to West Hove, contribute more towards the service than any one or two people with a car parked, and have every right to use the service if it fits their needs :shrug:
 






Colonel Mustard

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But you already ARE paying towards that service, and so is every single other ticket holder, regardless of whether they park a car in Mill Road. A family of four using the Mill Road bus as a convenient route home to West Hove, contribute more towards the service than any one or two people with a car parked, and have every right to use the service if it fits their needs :shrug:
Of course they have the 'right' as things stand, but it seems nonsense to me to have a park and ride system that doesn't give priority to people who are actually using the park and ride, many of whom will have a long way to drive home.

There is very possibly a supply problem with buses and drivers but if possible, it would surely make more sense for the club to provide a shuttle service away from the Amex to some convenient Brighton hub, or even somewhere like Lewes station. These buses would rapidly fill up but if they go to places where the buses could fairly quickly double-back to the stadium, it would surely help take the strain off the P and R and trains. I know people always say that we're paying for transport through tickets but I'd have no problem whatever with paying a bit extra for a P and R service I could rely on without having to leave on 80 or 85 minutes. This season I've started using Seagull Travel which is brilliant, but at £23 or so per match it's not a cheap option. Someone in another thread called it a "convenience tax" which is a very apt label.
 


Mellor 3 Ward 4

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We also lost Mithras House from the early Amex years which put more pressure on Mill Rd and the Racecourse as well as the fact that we get consistently higher crowds now
Lost Mithras House
No bendy busses for Mill Road.
Bigger crowds.
No Bennett's field (meaning 1901 park at Uni so less Uni parking for others)

At least the club have now said they DO have a transport Manager (PB said we didn't when questioned a couple of years ago)
 




Mr Bridger

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Happy 2 hours after the game to tempt people to stay behind, with live DJ playing tunes and announcing the train departures.

“Coming up is Oops upside your head by the Gap band and the next train is due in at 17.57 so just time to grab another £5 pint of piss”
 


Peacehaven Wild Kids

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Lost Mithras House
No bendy busses for Mill Road.
Bigger crowds.
No Bennett's field (meaning 1901 park at Uni so less Uni parking for others)

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The Tactician

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Hello all, Charlie from the Fan Advisory Board here. Our update on fan enquiries surrounding action taken after Ajax game:

Following a number of supporters reaching out to ask for clarity on bans following the Ajax match, the club have responded to state that "club bans and security matters are outside the remit of the FAB and we are sorry we are not able to comment on this further."

The Fan Advisory Board would recommend any individuals who are unsure about disciplinary process or stadium regulations to request clarification from the club.
 
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jackalbion

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Of course they have the 'right' as things stand, but it seems nonsense to me to have a park and ride system that doesn't give priority to people who are actually using the park and ride, many of whom will have a long way to drive home.

There is very possibly a supply problem with buses and drivers but if possible, it would surely make more sense for the club to provide a shuttle service away from the Amex to some convenient Brighton hub, or even somewhere like Lewes station. These buses would rapidly fill up but if they go to places where the buses could fairly quickly double-back to the stadium, it would surely help take the strain off the P and R and trains. I know people always say that we're paying for transport through tickets but I'd have no problem whatever with paying a bit extra for a P and R service I could rely on without having to leave on 80 or 85 minutes. This season I've started using Seagull Travel which is brilliant, but at £23 or so per match it's not a cheap option. Someone in another thread called it a "convenience tax" which is a very apt label.
The problem I know is the supply of buses and drivers, it’s a national problem, if there are engineering works locally and a Brighton home game, the resource is right down to the wire. It’s something that has to be worked on at a national level, we need more workers to do the job, a bit like the HGV crisis just after Brexit. That’s the only way to solve it but that would involve the government being proactive.
 




dazzer6666

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Of course they have the 'right' as things stand, but it seems nonsense to me to have a park and ride system that doesn't give priority to people who are actually using the park and ride, many of whom will have a long way to drive home.

There is very possibly a supply problem with buses and drivers but if possible, it would surely make more sense for the club to provide a shuttle service away from the Amex to some convenient Brighton hub, or even somewhere like Lewes station. These buses would rapidly fill up but if they go to places where the buses could fairly quickly double-back to the stadium, it would surely help take the strain off the P and R and trains. I know people always say that we're paying for transport through tickets but I'd have no problem whatever with paying a bit extra for a P and R service I could rely on without having to leave on 80 or 85 minutes. This season I've started using Seagull Travel which is brilliant, but at £23 or so per match it's not a cheap option. Someone in another thread called it a "convenience tax" which is a very apt label.
Lewes Station is the same distance from the Amex as Mill Hill P&R so wouldn’t be materially quicker anyway (and would make the traffic at the lights on Village Way even worse), Lewes town/station area could barely cope with a fleet of buses and there’s already a train shuttle going there. Where will the extra buses and drivers come from to run a new service? People walking to Mill Hill or the Racecourse should have the same priority as those parking there— maybe the club should call it the ‘Amex shuttle bus’ so the parkers don’t get annoyed 😄
 




jackalbion

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Lewes Station is the same distance from the Amex as Mill Hill P&R so wouldn’t be materially quicker anyway (and would make the traffic at the lights on Village Way even worse), Lewes town/station area could barely cope with a fleet of buses and there’s already a train shuttle going there. Where will the extra buses and drivers come from to run a new service? People walking to Mill Hill or the Racecourse should have the same priority as those parking there— maybe the club should call it the ‘Amex shuttle bus’ so the parkers don’t get annoyed 😄
The walkers being the problem is being massively overstated as well IMO. The problem is the bus supply post pandemic/Brexit, that’s what they need to solve. The walkers are not what caused it.
 


Colonel Mustard

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Lewes Station is the same distance from the Amex as Mill Hill P&R so wouldn’t be materially quicker anyway (and would make the traffic at the lights on Village Way even worse), Lewes town/station area could barely cope with a fleet of buses and there’s already a train shuttle going there. Where will the extra buses and drivers come from to run a new service? People walking to Mill Hill or the Racecourse should have the same priority as those parking there— maybe the club should call it the ‘Amex shuttle bus’ so the parkers don’t get annoyed 😄
But at least Lewes has loads of pubs, restaurants, bus routes, and a station. If the Amex was similarly surrounded by bars and cafes, shelter, and different transport options, it would be much less of a problem.
 


Colonel Mustard

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The walkers being the problem is being massively overstated as well IMO. The problem is the bus supply post pandemic/Brexit, that’s what they need to solve. The walkers are not what caused it.
You're a train man. You need to be on the P and R buses. I don’t know about Mill Rd but at the racecourse, loads of people get off and set off walking down the hill towards Kemptown, or double-back towards the town centre.
 


jackalbion

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You're a train man. You need to be on the P and R buses. I don’t know about Mill Rd but at the racecourse, loads of people get off and set off walking down the hill towards Kemptown, or double-back towards the town centre.
Oh yeah I agree, lot of people do this, but it isn’t the problem , the p and r was fine when they had the right amount of buses. If they banned walk ups I don’t think they’d solve anything, it will still be very busy. I used to use the racecourse a lot but I don’t now, the impact of the walk ups are probably negligible.
 




Goldstone1976

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Hello all, Charlie from the Fan Advisory Board here. Our update on fan enquiries surrounding action taken after Ajax game:

Following a number of supporters reaching out to ask for clarity on bans following the Ajax match, the club have responded to state that "club bans and security matters are outside the remit of the FAB and we are sorry we are not able to comment on this further."

The Fan Advisory Board would recommend any individuals who are unsure about disciplinary process or stadium regulations to request clarification from the club.
This surprised me, so I went looking for the terms of reference on the FAB and clubs’ websites and can’t find any.

Are there any agreed terms of reference listing either the areas that are within scope or listing those out of scope?

If so, could you point me to them please.

Thx!
 


hans kraay fan club

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You're a train man. You need to be on the P and R buses. I don’t know about Mill Rd but at the racecourse, loads of people get off and set off walking down the hill towards Kemptown, or double-back towards the town centre.
Nobody is questioning that this happens. We are questioning why you think it should be discouraged.

At the end of the day, everybody will choose how they can best get away from the stadium, and they've all got to be accommodated somehow. If currently 500 'non-parkers' are using each of the Mill Road and Racecourse P&R bus services and you prohibit them from doing so, where do they go? If you just add another 1,000 to the train queues, that isn't ultimately helping to alleviate the overall situation, is it?

And frankly, if someone lives at the top of Dyke Road, why on earth shouldn't they jump on a free bus that takes them almost door to door, instead of queueing to board a train into the middle of Brighton?
 


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