[Albion] The 2024-25 Loanee Tracker Thread

[jackalbion]

He hasn't been isolated from the team as he has been shown in training galleries on multiple occasions this calendar year.

Given that he has chosen not to sign a new contract, why should the club continue to play him in matches and, effectively, further develop another team's (as of this summer) player?

I get that to be fair, I just think we should have made more effort, but if he’s not going to sign, he’s not going to sign ultimately.

 

[GT49er]

In the case of all six players named by the Albion today as agreeing new contract extensions (Lamptey, Sima, Jensen, Mills, Offiah and Mullins) - the club has taken up their one-year option. The "agreeing" occurred when they signed their contracts that contained these club options.

Duffus has been offered a new contract but has chosen not to sign and, as things stand, will be off this summer.

Thanks for clarifying.

Be interested to hear your suggestions for which method the club should employ to make a player sign a new contract; torture? kidnapping family members?

Yes, I'm wondering what exactly the club have done to get this grief from some people. Without knowing what the offer was, of course - but nonetheless I understand that he was offered a contract/contract extension and he refused it.
Maybe it involved a loan, and like Connolly he didn't want to do that? We'll probably never know.

 

[AZ Gull]

Why did Liverpool continue to develop Trent before he’s signed for Real Madrid? Duffus is our best U23’s striker (by a distance) , it’s within the best interests of the club for the U23’s to perform well and win in the league and cups to continue playing at the highest youth levels in the best competitions, thus creating a more challenging environment for our youth talent to develop.

If through playing him the last 6 months he continued to develop and we thought he was worth a crack at first team, then get him to sign on increased terms as a first team player, if not release him. We can’t have it both ways.

TAA was an integral member of the LIverpool first team as they chased down the PL title (although they did indeed turn to other squad members once the title was sewn up).
I have no problem with Albion (or any other club for that matter) choosing not to play a youngster in competitive matches (at whatever level) once it has become clear to them that the player has chosen not to sign a new contract (in my view, the player can't have it both ways).
Of course, I've never been a player myself so I fully accept that you might have a different perspective.

 

[GT49er]

Why did Liverpool continue to develop Trent before he’s signed for Real Madrid? Duffus is our best U23’s striker (by a distance) , it’s within the best interests of the club for the U23’s to perform well and win in the league and cups to continue playing at the highest youth levels in the best competitions, thus creating a more challenging environment for our youth talent to develop.

It's hardly a like for like comparison, is it. You might as well ask why did we keep 'developing' Caicedo when we knew damn fine that he was off (probably to Chelsea) in the summer, and Mac Allister, with whom some sort of agreement was obviously made about his ultimate move to Liverpool? Liverpool 'continued to develop' TAA because he is one of the best RBs around and they wanted him playing in their first team!

Re: the U21s (not the U23s any more, BTW), the purpose of their existence is to improve and develop young players, not to win things, not primarily anyway. That's why we don't bulk up our PL2 team to win cup competitions, for example - we could probably have won the Paint Pot Trophy (whatever it is called now) if we'd added in the likes of Ferguson, Hinshelwood and Ayari from the first team, plus made use of the rues to play the maximum number of over-age (first team) players we were allowed to include - but we never did. Just used it to give the PL2 squad some more experience (fair enough, too).

 

[pigmanovich]

Why did Liverpool continue to develop Trent before he’s signed for Real Madrid?

What a comparison.

 

[BevBHA]

What a comparison.

Not comparing their ability at all. Comparing their importance to their teams. Duffus is one of our U21’s best players.
I was in academies right through the age groups until I was 16 in Cat B and C academies. I can only imagine Cat A. Frankly the notion from many on here that’s it’s all about development and results don’t matter is complete bollokcs. The winning mentality is bread from a very young age. So Duffus should play, as we’d have a better chance to win.

 

[pigmanovich]

Not comparing their ability at all. Comparing their importance to their teams. Duffus is one of our U21’s best players.
I was in academies right through the age groups until I was 16 in Cat B and C academies. I can only imagine Cat A. Frankly the notion from many on here that’s it’s all about development and results don’t matter is complete bollokcs. The winning mentality is bread from a very young age. So Duffus should play, as we’d have a better chance to win.

Is it controversial to propose we try to win with players who actually want to be here?

 

[GT49er]

Is it controversial to propose we try to win with players who actually want to be here?

No, it's not. But what the other poster doesn't understand is that winning and losing isn't the be-all and end-all for our U21s. If they're sent out to try to play a particular way, even if it doesn't result in a win, that's still a big learning curve.
If we wanted to win the PL2, the Paint Pot Trophy and the National League Trophy we could. Probably. But we have our top U21s playing for the first team, like Hinshelwood, or in the PL on loan or in the EFL on loan, that shows that our priority is developing players, not winning U21 trophies (nice as one of those would be).

 

[jackalbion]

No, it's not. But what the other poster doesn't understand is that winning and losing isn't the be-all and end-all for our U21s. If they're sent out to try to play a particular way, even if it doesn't result in a win, that's still a big learning curve.
If we wanted to win the PL2, the Paint Pot Trophy and the National League Trophy we could. Probably. But we have our top U21s playing for the first team, like Hinshelwood, or in the PL on loan or in the EFL on loan, that shows that our priority is developing players, not winning U21 trophies (nice as one of those would be).

I don’t think that is what they are proposing, I understand why they think that, the U21 went backwards after Christmas, not that it overly matters, but it didn’t seem like a good platform for some players to improve. You can’t keep all these players around to just play U21, I don’t think it’s a ridiculous suggestion.

 

[GT49er]

I don’t think that is what they are proposing, I understand why they think that, the U21 went backwards after Christmas, not that it overly matters, but it didn’t seem like a good platform for some players to improve. You can’t keep all these players around to just play U21, I don’t think it’s a ridiculous suggestion.

No, of course we can't. The fact that at times our U21s are barely out of the U18s is a fact of life - and their learning experience!

 

[GT49er]

Scherpen on the bench for the Netherlands tonight (as are Wieffer and van Hecke). Probably being given a rest, bearing in mind their opponents are the mighty Malta. Seems reasonable given the Netherlands are 2 up in 20 minutes!

 

[GT49er]

.................................and Abdallah Sima could get a run out against England later. Well, if Moder can score against England .............................

 

[GT49er]

Loans moving on (out of contract - available for free transfer).

Samy Chouchane - on loan at Northampton Town (League 1); released
Luca Barrington - on loan at Grimsby (League 2); released
Louis Flower - on loan at Gateshead (National League); released
Ben Jackson - on loan at Queens Park (Scottish Championship); released

Best of luck to them for their future careers.

 

[BevBHA]

No, it's not. But what the other poster doesn't understand is that winning and losing isn't the be-all and end-all for our U21s. If they're sent out to try to play a particular way, even if it doesn't result in a win, that's still a big learning curve.

respectfully, you are talking absolute waffle. The players we put out are expected to win every game they play. It’s part of their development to have a winning mentality

 

[GT49er]

respectfully, you are talking absolute waffle. The players we put out are expected to win every game they play. It’s part of their development to have a winning mentality

Nonsense! If the aim for the U21s was winning PL2, the Paint Pot trophy and the National Trophy, etc, we'd put out the strongest team possible. We don't. (and with very good reason).
That is not to say they're not trying to win - they'd better be!

 

[BevBHA]

Nonsense! If the aim for the U21s was winning PL2, the Paint Pot trophy and the National Trophy, etc, we'd put out the strongest team possible. We don't. (and with very good reason).
That is not to say they're not trying to win - they'd better be!

That’s not what you said , you said it doesn’t matter if they win or lose it’s all for development. That’s just not true. I’m not saying about playing eligible players such as Hinsh etc. but with the U21 squad playing each week, the aim will be to win every game

 

[GT49er]

That’s not what you said , you said it doesn’t matter if they win or lose it’s all for development. That’s just not true. I’m not saying about playing eligible players such as Hinsh etc. but with the U21 squad playing each week, the aim will be to win every game

Winning and losing isn't important for the purposes of development. Of course, the aim is to win, but for the development squad winning is not so important as learning. OK, you've had your argument. I'll leave it with the facts.

 

[dazzer6666]

Winning and losing isn't important for the purposes of development. Of course, the aim is to win, but for the development squad winning is not so important as learning. OK, you've had your argument. I'll leave it with the facts.

….is the correct answer