That Glenn Murray is a very good player

[beorhthelm]

It can take time for a player to settle in to a new club and it took us time to adjust to being without him. He was also injured for a length of time in his first season in the Champ.

what length was that? he totted up 37 league and 43 total apperances. clearly the difference was tactics used in second season (alot of penalties too iirc). as some eles said, there' no certainty he'd have clocked up even half the goals with Gus or indeed Oscars tactics applied in the Championship.

 

[El Presidente]

He couldn't and didn't play full games though, he came on as sub 13 times, and was unfit for the bench 8 times.

So what you are saying is that he was dropped, mainly due to not scoring very often.

 

[symyjym]

So what you are saying is that he was dropped, mainly due to not scoring very often.

No, I did not say that at all, you know what I was saying, but what you seem to be saying is he wasn't carrying an injury in his first season in the Championship.

This debate is about Poyet not rating Murray and letting him go but I can clearly see that you feel that not keeping Murray was justified even though he ended up top scorer in the Champ and is now playing in the Prem.

I have said before on this thread that letting Murray go would have been the same as Shampton getting rid of Lambert when they stepped up to the Championship.

 

[El Presidente]

No, I did not say that at all, you know what I was saying, but what you seem to be saying is he wasn't carrying an injury in his first season in the Championship.

This debate is about Poyet not rating Murray and letting him go but I can clearly see that you feel that not keeping Murray was justified even though he ended up top scorer in the Champ and is now playing in the Prem.

I have said before on this thread that letting Murray go would have been the same as Shampton getting rid of Lambert when they stepped up to the Championship.

If you look at the five players who scored 20+ goals in League 1 when we went up as a champions I would rank them (based on their goal scoring and all round performances THAT season).

1= CMS and Lambert
3: Murray
4: Hoskins
5: Barnes

I personally would have kept Murray, always rated him, I have a framed photo of him in my office, but the club decided to not meet his wage demands. Whether that is down to Bloom, Brown or Poyet we will never know.

Palace were more than happy to let Murray go after one season though, because his performances were no more than okay, hence the proposed swap deal with Hoskins.

 

[symyjym]

If you look at the five players who scored 20+ goals in League 1 when we went up as a champions I would rank them (based on their goal scoring and all round performances THAT season).

1= CMS and Lambert
3: Murray
4: Hoskins
5: Barnes

I personally would have kept Murray, always rated him, I have a framed photo of him in my office, but the club decided to not meet his wage demands. Whether that is down to Bloom, Brown or Poyet we will never know.

Palace were more than happy to let Murray go after one season though, because his performances were no more than okay, hence the proposed swap deal with Hoskins.

That's not the way I heard it, Murray was on around £4k, Palace offered around £12k, we offered £7.5k, Murray said he would stay for £9k, Bloom said to Gus shall we pay him the £9k and Gus said no let him go.

 

[El Presidente]

That's not the way I heard it, Murray was on around £4k, Palace offered around £12k, we offered £7.5k, Murray said he would stay for £9k, Bloom said to Gus shall we pay him the £9k and Gus said no let him go.

So you 'heard it'. That's still not hard evidence. He wasn't on £12k at Palace either.

 

[symyjym]

So you 'heard it'. That's still not hard evidence. He wasn't on £12k at Palace either.

I don't expect anyone should believe it themselves but based on the connection I heard it from, there was no deception detected, so it's good enough evidence for me.

I said around £12k but I am sure you can correct me on the exact figure.

 

[Dougie]

It still doesn't change the fact that he's a ****, I lost all respect for him when he dived in the 3-0

Was that the one when greer manhandled him to the ground ? didnt look like a dive to me .

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Was that the one when greer manhandled him to the ground ? didnt look like a dive to me .

No, it was the one where he stuck his foot into Kuszczak and dived as if he'd been brought down. We saw him do an identical dive at Carlisle for us.

 

[Phat Baz 68]

Gotta say for a player back from long term injury he was quality against Manure yesterday like he had never been away.
I curse the day we let him go still, he would have fired us into the Premier League last season no doubt about it.

 

[goldstone]

I can see a lot of people agree wih me. A mad, stupid, short-sighted, penny-pinching decision to let him go.

 

[Moshe Gariani]

... who will be back in the Championship next season.

Great result for Norwich today.

Palace only have one game left that looks winnable for them.

 

[Murry]

Sorry the question mark should not have been there. Murray for Hoskins swap had been agreed but after Hoskins broke his leg it was cancelled.

Please provide 1 tiny minuscule of evidence

 

[Mutts Nuts]

Indeed. Same as Lua Lua. It's modern football. He is comfortably the best target man we've had. Not keeping him was an absolute travesty and cost us £5million trying to replace him.

Costing Tony 14.7 million just for last season alone and no one knows how much for this season or the next.

 

[ali jenkins]

I think any decent striker would have scored loads of goals with Bolase and Zaha on the wings... And diving.

 

[mona]

So you 'heard it'. That's still not hard evidence. He wasn't on £12k at Palace either.

Millwall were going to sign him and then Palace offered more. I don't claim to have inside information but Gus clearly didn't want him and hinted as much at a supporters' forum.

 

[ThePaddy]

... who will be back in the Championship next season.

Great result for Norwich today.

Palace only have one game left that looks winnable for them.

What a load of rubbish.

Sunderland, Cardiff, Villa, West Ham and Fulham are all games where we can target 3 points. Wouldn't be too surprised to see us get a result against Swansea, Southampton or Newcastle either with the way we've been playing under Pulis. We're top of the "relegation mini-league" and have a phenomenal record against teams in the bottom half, so we're probably expecting at least 9 points from the first 5 fixtures I listed.

Many pundits have said they would be surprised if Palace weren't playing in the Premier League next year. Appointing Tony looks like a fantastic decision, and one that will probably keep us up.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Please provide 1 tiny minuscule of evidence

Multiple sources have come back with this exact info.

Who cares if a palace troll doesn't believe it ? : lolol:

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

What a load of rubbish.

Sunderland, Cardiff, Villa, West Ham and Fulham are all games where we can target 3 points. Wouldn't be too surprised to see us get a result against Swansea, Southampton or Newcastle either with the way we've been playing under Pulis. We're top of the "relegation mini-league" and have a phenomenal record against teams in the bottom half, so we're probably expecting at least 9 points from the first 5 fixtures I listed.

Many pundits have said they would be surprised if Palace weren't playing in the Premier League next year. Appointing Tony looks like a fantastic decision, and one that will probably keep us up.

Comedy GOLD from start to finish

How many of the bottom half teams have you played at home, and how many away, with your 'phenomenal' record

If you EXPECT 9 points from those 5 fixtures ( 4 of them away ) you must surely be clinically deluded.

 

[n1 gull]

I can see a lot of people agree wih me. A mad, stupid, short-sighted, penny-pinching decision to let him go.

I agree 100%. Poyet got it wrong, quality player