Take down your shorts Murray, you are about to get spanked.
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Is every post you make wrong?
You do go on. Christie was a drug cheat, so never really achieved anything. Jonnie is one of the best British Sportsman, but you wouldn't recognise it if it weren't for him also having a decent team around him. You can be great without being the best in the world. Even if Murray had never won a major, being the 4th best at something as popular as tennis is a great achievement.
quality bounce.Nonsense.
Exactly.
Captain Sensible
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Why has this thread been bounced? It was for Wimbledon, where
Murray lost to sheer class from Federer.
Well done to him for winning the us open but could whatever has to be said, not be said on a thread about the US open and not Wimbledon?
Murray lost to sheer class from Federer.
Well done to him for winning the us open but could whatever has to be said, not be said on a thread about the US open and not Wimbledon?
Because there are a number of posts in THIS thread that state that Murray will never win anything, that he's rubbish/miles behind the other 3 etc. It's just a bit of fun.
Tricky Dicky
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Luke Donald and Lee Westwood must be complete failures then, world number one, pah - not won a major so must be crap.
Also the current German National Team are UTTER SHIT.
Common as Mook
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They certainly won't be remembered as being best in their field.
Common as Mook
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When has Murray been World Number 1?
Bold Seagull
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So in your own opinion, he is now held in that high regard.
You really do seem to be going around in circles...
Common as Mook
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Read my opening post from last night in response to BoF. "Deserved hyperbole" because he has actually won something. Sunsequently I have been re-arguing my point about the need to win stuff to be remembered as truly great.
Bold Seagull
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Bollocks. On this thread people said he would NEVER win a major. Would ALWAYS be a choker. There are some serious back trackers on here looking very stupid.
mejonaNO12 aka riskit
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I have been arguing this point even before he won the Olympics, but some peoples willingness to look a sporting achievement in black and white is quite astounding.
Even if he had lost the final I would be writing this.
He is WORLD class. He is in the top 4 players during an era where the other 3 are openly regarded as 3 of the ALL time greatest.
He had made 4 finals in that time. Again, an amazing achiement.
The term 'bottler' is a WEAK argument by people who clearly only tuned in (or just lookked at the result) of his finals.
Murray has won far more games from behind than he has lost from in front. He has never BOTTLED a final. He has been beaten by the better player on the day (a player who is regarded as one of the top players ever).
Is that bottling to constantly be around the 4th best at something in the WORLD? I'd love to know what everyone on here is 4th best in the world at.
He didn't need to win last night for me to change my opinion on just how good he is. It was almost just a matter of time.
Even if he had lost the final I would be writing this.
He is WORLD class. He is in the top 4 players during an era where the other 3 are openly regarded as 3 of the ALL time greatest.
He had made 4 finals in that time. Again, an amazing achiement.
The term 'bottler' is a WEAK argument by people who clearly only tuned in (or just lookked at the result) of his finals.
Murray has won far more games from behind than he has lost from in front. He has never BOTTLED a final. He has been beaten by the better player on the day (a player who is regarded as one of the top players ever).
Is that bottling to constantly be around the 4th best at something in the WORLD? I'd love to know what everyone on here is 4th best in the world at.
He didn't need to win last night for me to change my opinion on just how good he is. It was almost just a matter of time.
Pavilionaire
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It takes a few years to achieve the mental and physical conditioning to win a tennis major these days. Federer and Djokovic were around for a few years before they moved into the elite bracket and it's taken Murray a year or so longer than them but so what?
I think Lendl has really fixed some endemic mental issues with Murray. He now seems better able to put a setback behind him, rather than dwell on it and spiral downwards. The fact Lendl lost his first 4 majors but went on to win 8 is encouraging, although the Czech never won Wimbledon. I hope he sticks around with Murray to see that goal accomplished; it would be some achievment for both of them.
I think Lendl has really fixed some endemic mental issues with Murray. He now seems better able to put a setback behind him, rather than dwell on it and spiral downwards. The fact Lendl lost his first 4 majors but went on to win 8 is encouraging, although the Czech never won Wimbledon. I hope he sticks around with Murray to see that goal accomplished; it would be some achievment for both of them.
mejonaNO12 aka riskit
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On course to be by the end of this year.
Common as Mook
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That answers my question, thanks.
I have to admit, I doubted the Murray had the stones to be a Major winner if for no other reason than his fitness was always suspect and he had a very dodgy temperament. In some games you could almost pinpoint the exact moment his head went and he wasn't going to win.
Now, he's bulked up, transformed his fitness levels, improved his game hugely and seems to have his temper mostly in check. As a result, he starts to achieve what his early potential promised.
He's comfortably the best tennis player to come from the British Isles in decades and is in the ascendancy. He's much like many other players who have found their paths blocked by the stellar triumvirate of Nadal, Djokovic and Federer. In all fairness, any player who wins a Grand Slam in an era with three players of their quality deserves respect.
Now, he's bulked up, transformed his fitness levels, improved his game hugely and seems to have his temper mostly in check. As a result, he starts to achieve what his early potential promised.
He's comfortably the best tennis player to come from the British Isles in decades and is in the ascendancy. He's much like many other players who have found their paths blocked by the stellar triumvirate of Nadal, Djokovic and Federer. In all fairness, any player who wins a Grand Slam in an era with three players of their quality deserves respect.
For reasons not connect to you Mellotron, it's nice to see none of those 'derogatory' comments have come from me!
All of this, times x 1,000. And it WAS just a matter of time. Was very easy to see.
We're the Stripes
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Agree. Just something about the aura Lendl gives off, and the respect he'd naturally command, being such a great, that made me feel there was no way he was going to be anything other than a huge positive for Andy.
Still taking time for it to settle in, what Murray has just achieved - given the remarkable era he is playing in, and our relative lack of success since I've been alive. You have to feel he now has the platform from which to push on and potentially raise himself to a status similar to that of Djokovic (at this current moment). The fact that there appears to be very few youngsters threatening to even get close to that top 4 only aids his chances of further success.
As an extension of that last point, it probably puts into perspective just how good the current elite group are, rather than thinking it represents any sort of bleak long-term future for the sport. I think we may see the likes of Raonic, Tomic, Goffin, Dimitrov and Harrison make the step up to top 10 territory at some point in the future anyway.