seagullsovergrimsby
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plonker
Where is the fascist cliche in "you should stop reading the daily mail"
Daily Mail readers do seem to have right wing views and they are pandered to by the articles which appear in the paper.
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Swine Flu - Isn't it getting obvious that those stupid socialists..
Daily Mail readers do seem to have right wing views and they are pandered to by the articles which appear in the paper.
Lord Bracknell
On fire
... and indistinguishable from the Tories. This could just as easily be Cameron, now he's worked out what the media likes:-
"... the rights we enjoy reflect the duties we owe, and where we live together, freely, in a spirit of solidarity, tolerance and respect".
What does it MEAN?
Americans, those famouse lefties.
seagullsovergrimsby
#cpfctinpotclub
Its all to do with these bloody "mission statements" , someone is paid heaps of money to come up with this garbage. 
Goldstone Rapper
Rediffusion PlayerofYear
The original Clause 4 suggested that the Labour Party was for nationalising all industry and services. I can see why they dropped it.
GT49er
Well-known member
Errm........No, I think you'll find is the correct answer.
Still, it's heartening to know that at least a few deluded souls think socialists are running anything these days - certainly in this present government, there aren't any socialists!
brightonbluenose
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- May 6, 2006
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Eh?
And you dont believe this current administration has buried its own bad
news beneath other bigger news stories??!!
Cant think of precise examples at the mo , but if you REALLY need them I'll dig them out for you!!
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Yeah!!!
Lord Bracknell
On fire
How about hiding the collapse of capitalism behind a silly little spat about MPs' expenses?
Almost as brazen as Teddy Kennedy choosing the first landing on the moon to ensure that no-one asked questions about Chappaquiddick until the trail had run cold - a 40th anniversary that has gone practically unnoticed this week.
fatbadger
New member
Now, come on, admit it. You're just being silly.
They aren't even social democrats, let alone socialists. They are liberal democrats (as are the tories).
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Swine flu load of bollox.Only affects non-smokers,non-drinkers,and asians-who cares!
Southover Street Seagull
Well-known member
When will the misinformed or just plain stupid Tories on here realise that this current government is far from Socialist?
Southover Street Seagull
Well-known member
From the OED:
socialism
• noun a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
— DERIVATIVES socialist noun & adjective socialistic adjective.
Please explain to us how this current New Labour government is in any way, shape or form the same as the description above.
NMH
Banned
AIDS proliferated in the USA during Reagan's watch.
It would be tangible to suggest that he was somewhat culpable by doing very little about it, at the time.
Gays even helped it spread by claiming that it was "not a gay disease", which may have some grounding in biology, but certainly not in the social scene that pervades the homosexual community.
If ANYONE shouts from the rooftops about Swine Flu being a serious pandemic that ought to have every precaution leveled against it - they will probably be actively saving lives.
People like Timmy here on the other hand, by distraction and waving it away carelessly will be doing the same as those stupid mincers.
It would be tangible to suggest that he was somewhat culpable by doing very little about it, at the time.
Gays even helped it spread by claiming that it was "not a gay disease", which may have some grounding in biology, but certainly not in the social scene that pervades the homosexual community.
If ANYONE shouts from the rooftops about Swine Flu being a serious pandemic that ought to have every precaution leveled against it - they will probably be actively saving lives.
People like Timmy here on the other hand, by distraction and waving it away carelessly will be doing the same as those stupid mincers.
looney
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- Jul 7, 2003
- 15,652
Where is the fascist cliche in "you should stop reading the daily mail"
are you trying to be ironic?
Dont read, dont say dont think, etc facist.
dailey mail blah blah blah etc, Cliche
looney
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- Jul 7, 2003
- 15,652
Newsflash Brackers, Socialism wasn't invented when the labour party was founded, it was based and continued to prosper on new ideas from the left wether that was Keynes or Karl Marx.
Back to the Yanks or new left. Their main foundation was in fact by a group of German exiles comprising of what was known as the Frankfurt school who decamped bloody quick to the USA when hitler came along and its their neo-marxist influence on the American left and the UK up to today, infact when I say influence I should say poison.
A couple of notable members, Herbert Marcuse.
who
"With his academic career blocked by the rise of the Third Reich, in 1933 Marcuse joined the Frankfurt Institute for Social Research, emigrating from Germany that same year, going first to Switzerland, then the United States, where he became a naturalized citizen in 1940......
.........n the post-war period, Marcuse was the most explicitly political and left-wing member of the Frankfurt School[citation needed], continuing to identify himself as a Marxist, a socialist, and a Hegelian.........
Marcuse soon became known as "the father of the New Left in the United States","
Herbert Marcuse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hence becomming the founder of political correctness, opposing everything rightwing and supporting everything leftwing. or as he puts it...
"Marcuse argues that genuine tolerance does not tolerate support for repression, since doing so ensures that marginalized voices will remain unheard. He characterizes tolerance of repressive speech as "inauthentic." Instead, he advocates a discriminatory form of tolerance that does not allow so-called "repressive" intolerance to be voiced."
Or as an example questioning the levels of immigration is repressive speech as it marginalises and oppresses opressed immigrants therefore those questioning immigration can be hounded and abused as racists, idiots etc.
Some of the policies labour has lifted directly from the US democrats, including clintons main advisor Stephanopolis were New Deal/Welfare to work , Institutional racism, race hate crimes, minimum wage etc .
So labour has embraced a lot of democrat policies, not all bad, plus a nasty streak of authoritarianism.
This authoritarianism, political correctness, is being re labelled in the USA as leftwing facism by the rightwing radio commentators so its only a matter of time before it crosses the pond.
Ironicly the term was first coined by another neo-marxist from the franfurt school, JEURGAN HABERMAS, who wished to make the distinction between them and leftist terror groups like the red brigade and the RAF.
"He also holds the uncharacteristically postmodern position of "Permanent Visiting" Professor at Northwestern University in Evanston, Illinois, and "Theodor Heuss Professor" at The New School, New York.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juergen_Habermas
"Left-wing fascism (sometimes also known as left fascism) [1] is a term used to describe tendencies in left-wing politics that contradict or violate the progressive ideals with which the Left is usually associated. These tendencies include absolutism, intolerance, irrationality, terrorism, and anti-Semitism. The term also refers to resemblances to, or alliances with, fascist or totalitarian movements, including Islamism or Jihadism..........."
Left-wing fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Brackers you see the labour party as it was , this is how it is or is becoming.
Lord Bracknell
On fire
As I made clear ... In the context of UK labour history, the MINIMUM requirement for this government to be described as "socialist" would be that it embraced the aims adopted by the Labour Party in 1918 which were abandoned by the Party in 1995.
I'm well aware that "socialism" is a rather more complex matter when seen in its international context. My original post was a response to you claiming that New Labour is "socialist" because it is heavily influenced by "new left policy from the USA".
My point is that New Labour is not socialist - because it explicitly rejected the old Clause 4 in 1995.
Having rejected socialism so decisively, it is absurd to imagine that New Labour has re-embraced it via the tortuous route that you have spelt out - Frankfurt - Switzerland - New York - London.
As for New Labour moving in the direction of "Left Fascism" ... I don't see any signs of the party explicitly rejecting the concept of democracy. They may not be promoting it very vigorously, but they are a long way short of issuing a manifesto that calls for its abolition. And an essental feature of fascism is that it is explicitly anti-democratic.
I'm well aware that "socialism" is a rather more complex matter when seen in its international context. My original post was a response to you claiming that New Labour is "socialist" because it is heavily influenced by "new left policy from the USA".
My point is that New Labour is not socialist - because it explicitly rejected the old Clause 4 in 1995.
Having rejected socialism so decisively, it is absurd to imagine that New Labour has re-embraced it via the tortuous route that you have spelt out - Frankfurt - Switzerland - New York - London.
As for New Labour moving in the direction of "Left Fascism" ... I don't see any signs of the party explicitly rejecting the concept of democracy. They may not be promoting it very vigorously, but they are a long way short of issuing a manifesto that calls for its abolition. And an essental feature of fascism is that it is explicitly anti-democratic.
brightonbluenose
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Lord Bracknell
On fire
That doesn't make him a democrat.
Democracy respects the right of every individual to participate in the political process. Fascism doesn't. It demands a strong state above everything else.
As Mussolini said ... “The keystone of the Fascist doctrine is its conception of the State, of its essence, its functions, and its aims. For Fascism the State is absolute. Individuals and groups are relative.”
Tom Bombadil
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I see Looney still regurgitates crap from the US.