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The Large One

Who's Next?
Jul 7, 2003
52,343
97.2FM
And a f***ing ridiculous one at that. Stretches of the most used road in Hove closed for (at least) a month or two just so they can take away one car lane and add a bike lane. That road is already jammed in rush hour I can't believe they haven't thought this through. Prepare for carnage.

FWIW I drive a bike, not a car, so this isn't a bias view, i'm just stating the facts.

Take away a car lane? It was only ever single carriageway between Hove Park and BHASVIC in the first place (apart from at the traffic lights at the junction of the Upper Drive). Are you saying no cars can use it now?
 




Diego Napier

Well-known member
Mar 27, 2010
4,416
Don't forget the "shared space" they are creating. This so called "shared space" is the place where people stand to wait for a bus which apparently is quite safe to share with bikes because pedestrians will have the right of way. I do have to wonder if you have to pass a stupidity exam to become a councillor or work for the council :facepalm:

Shared spaces work really well in other countries like Holland and have reduced accident levels. Perhaps they have more tolerant societies? Our society is generally v. resistant to change, always keen to highlight the downside and tends towards the cynical.
 


Notters

Well-known member
Oct 20, 2003
25,025
Guiseley
Good lord, why the hell have they made lewes road a 30? If they'd put it up to 50 I wouldnt be so surprised. Pretty sure the A27 at Falmer will be a 50 or even a 40 soon.
 




Dec 29, 2011
8,265
Take away a car lane? It was only ever single carriageway between Hove Park and BHASVIC in the first place (apart from at the traffic lights at the junction of the Upper Drive). Are you saying no cars can use it now?

No I was talking about from just past Hove Wreck to the Upper Drive. Used to be two lanes, and was still chocca on school rush hour times. I haven't seen down by BHASVIC end yet as it's still shut.
 




Speed limit's still 40 on that stretch, as far as I'm aware, TLO.
Nope. It's now 30mph all the way out of the city as far as Moulsecoomb Way. From observation and frequent driving experience of passing that particular camera, I think I can say with a fair degree of certainty that NO-ONE ever exceeded 40 mph past it.
 


From the Argus

In 2010, a change in speed limits along a stretch of the A22 Eastbourne Road in Halland near Lewes created the most lucrative speed camera in the whole county with a 10,000% increase in speeding fines.

Commuters had been given a six-month period to adjust but 3,500 drivers were fined in just 12 months compared to just 33 people the previous year.

If that increase was replicated along the much busier Lewes Road, 20,000 motorists could come a cropper annually raising £1.2million in fines.


That's a ridiculous comparison between two totally different locations. The Halland camera is on a single carriageway road, with poor visibility, in a residential part of a village. It always should have been a 30mph stretch. There are signs warning of an upcoming camera as well. If drivers can't keep to 30mph in those circumstances, they DESERVE to be fined.

As for the threat that 20,000 motorists on Lewes Road "could" come a cropper, I'm reminded of Liam Brady's granny.
 


Dec 29, 2011
8,265
From the Argus



That's a ridiculous comparison between two totally different locations. The Halland camera is on a single carriageway road, with poor visibility, in a residential part of a village. It always should have been a 30mph stretch. There are signs warning of an upcoming camera as well. If drivers can't keep to 30mph in those circumstances, they DESERVE to be fined.

As for the threat that 20,000 motorists on Lewes Road "could" come a cropper, I'm reminded of Liam Brady's granny.

That's what I thought when I read that article. Totally fabricated figures just to give a good headline. But, you know, what more do you expect from the Argus.
 




Notters

Well-known member
Oct 20, 2003
25,025
Guiseley
Why are you 'pretty sure'?

And even if it does go to that, that's got nowt to do with the council. That's Highways Agency territory.

Because there's now a major accident there nearly every week - yesterday's wiping out the central crash barrier. And yes, it would be the HA.
 


magoo

New member
Jul 8, 2003
6,682
United Kingdom
That road is never a 30. 40 minimum. Also why is there even a camera there? It only slows people down for those few meters.

And another thing! Why are they using such tiny, tiny signs saying NOW 30? Use BIGGER signs then that, psychologically will make people slow right down!!
 








KNC

Well-known member
Sep 3, 2003
2,025
Seven Dials
Yes.



Partially, along with Labour, but mostly the Tories.

The Conservatives were the ones who approved this plan.

Hands clean, then, from the Groans.
 


From the Argus



That's a ridiculous comparison between two totally different locations. The Halland camera is on a single carriageway road, with poor visibility, in a residential part of a village. It always should have been a 30mph stretch. There are signs warning of an upcoming camera as well. If drivers can't keep to 30mph in those circumstances, they DESERVE to be fined.

As for the threat that 20,000 motorists on Lewes Road "could" come a cropper, I'm reminded of Liam Brady's granny.

And, as is traditional, the old camera was out of use for quite a while so that regular users could get used to the new limit first. My car has one of those little dial things on the dashboard that tells you how fast you are going I think the trick is to compare the reading on that with the signs by the side of the road (white and round, red border and a number in the middle) and keep the number on the dashboard at or below that figure.

Not sure if speed cameras have any tolerance built in but I believe that, to give people a bit of a chance, the Police tend not to get too bothered unless you are going over the "speed limit + 10% + 2mph" figure. I am sure that there are posters on this board who are more qualified to confirm this or otherwise.
 




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