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[Is it PotG?]

In that case what makes you qualified to call for change? Doesn’t seem very constructive to call for change and then when asked what particular things you’d like changed, to reply; I dunno, just change something.

In your valued opinion, is the current funding/demand structure in the NHS functioning?

 

[Guinness Boy]

Do you know what, my qualifications are in other areas? Similarly, I don't tell Potter to play 4-5-1 or 4-4-2.

As Clint Eastwood once said, 'A man's gotta know his limitations'.

I shall leave that to someone more versed in the healthcare budgeting field. In the same way, I would not expect someone highly trained and experienced in such a role to explain the intricacies of my vocation to me.

Something DOES need to change, and if it needs a fresh set of learned eyes to change it, streamline it and make it more efficient then so be it.

And yet you're all over this thread like a rash

 

[Is it PotG?]

And yet you're all over this thread like a rash

Don't see your point.

I have a view, and am expressing it. As NSC is a prime example, you don't need to be experienced or knowledgeable in any particular field to have feelings about it.

Methods of rectification however is best left to the experts, not someone who might have Googled it or read a blog.

 

[happypig]

Please provide evidence or a citation for this claptrap post.

https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/02/how-the-uk-voted-on-brexit-and-why-a-refresher/

One third (33%) said the main reason was that leaving “offered the best chance for the UK to regain control over immigration and its own borders.”

 

[The Clamp]

In your valued opinion, is the current funding/demand structure in the NHS functioning?

I have some limited knowledge, but this is anecdotal, from my place of work. We work quite closely with the NHS and have worked directly for them before. I see a lack of funding in specific areas such as mental health care, substance abuse treatment, all very high demand areas. And wages for the front of house staff are criminally underfunded.

I encounter this on a daily basis. Coupled with an ineffective apportioning of funds and poor recruitment strategy and training budget, the NHS could certainly do with financial restructuring.

What I believe it does not need is being used as a trading chip between the U.K. and the US. I simply do not believe that Donald Trump or Boris Johnson have our best interests at heart. I believe any trade deal involving the US would likely result in the eventual dismantling of the NHS for profit. Nothing either of them have done in their past makes me think I’m wrong to be concerned.

 

[Is it PotG?]

I have some limited knowledge, but this is anecdotal, from my place of work. We work quite closely with the NHS and have worked directly for them before. I see a lack of funding in specific areas such as mental health care, substance abuse treatment, all very high demand areas. And wages for the front of house staff are criminally underfunded.

I encounter this on a daily basis. Coupled with an ineffective apportioning of funds and poor recruitment strategy and training budget, the NHS could certainly do with financial restructuring.

What I believe it does not need is being used as a trading chip between the U.K. and the US. I simply do not believe that Donald Trump or Boris Johnson have our best interests at heart. I believe any trade deal involving the US would likely result in the eventual dismantling of the NHS for profit. Nothing either of them have done in their past makes me think I’m wrong to be concerned.

Fair enough. To me it's a significant jump to say that some areas need addressing, but to blanket out the US because it would dismantle it. There is no evidence that this would happen, as it wouldn't with any other nation's specialists having input. Surely any change that improves the current malaise would be of benefit?

 

[portlock seagull]

No of course not, they could be the government that finally kill it off though.

I don’t see that this belongs in the bear pit. Nobody is being abusive and those that are trying to derail it are being roundly ignored.

It’s a legitimate discussion and an important one.

It’ll descend into, if I know NSC! Just wait...be nice if didn’t but...

 

[The Clamp]

Fair enough. To me it's a significant jump to say that some areas need addressing, but to blanket out the US because it would dismantle it. There is no evidence that this would happen, as it wouldn't with any other nation's specialists having input. Surely any change that improves the current malaise would be of benefit?

Reaching out to the States for advice or expertise? Why not? Sounds reasonable and I know we do have US consultants who advise the NHS on various business style practices.
And I think it’s healthy. But I’m just taking a metaphorical step back from the table and looking at the elements;

Boris Johnson
Donald Trump
Trade negotiations
Timing

It sets off a Klaxon and I don’t think unreasonably so. Take politics away for a second, do you honestly think either of those men deserve your trust?

 

[AlbionBro]

The NHS is a significant strain on the nation that is set to get much worse. Bailing out this failing business over many year's is just suicidal, is it not?
The time is right to move it on. Now we have extra hospitals like the Nightingale hospitals this must be a time to sell it. This country has changed.

 

[The Clamp]

The NHS is a significant strain on the nation that is set to get much worse. Bailing out this failing business over many year's is just suicidal, is it not?
The time is right to move it on. Now we have extra hospitals like the Nightingale hospitals this must be a time to sell it. This country has changed.

Bailing it out?

 

[AlbionBro]

Bailing it out?

Just my opinion. You started the thread suggesting 'free' was important to you.
Nothing is 'free' in life, youngster seem to want everything handed to them on a plate.

 

[happypig]

Just my opinion. You started the thread suggesting 'free' was important to you.
Nothing is 'free' in life, youngster seem to want everything handed to them on a plate.

"Free at the point of use" is not the same as "free".

If it's causing significant financial strain then scrap Trident to pay for it.

 

[The Clamp]

Just my opinion. You started the thread suggesting 'free' was important to you.
Nothing is 'free' in life, youngster seem to want everything handed to them on a plate.

I’m not sure it’s a matter of opinion, how have we bailed out the NHS? It’s publicly funded and uses funds when required. That’s not a bail out. The NHS is not a business.
Obviously we pay for it but free at point of treatment.
I’m not sure how helpful or indeed accurate it is to suggest youngsters want everything for free. And I’m certainly no youngster :-(

 

[AlbionBro]

"Free at the point of use" is not the same as "free".

If it's causing significant financial strain, then scrap Trident to pay for it.

Would you risk the countries defence, with China and Russia, North Korea etc, looking power-obsessed?
Not for me, protection is key to our existence.

 

[Guinness Boy]

The NHS is a significant strain on the nation that is set to get much worse. Bailing out this failing business over many year's is just suicidal, is it not?
The time is right to move it on. Now we have extra hospitals like the Nightingale hospitals this must be a time to sell it. This country has changed.

It's not a business. It's a service that stops people dying.

 

[AlbionBro]

I’m not sure it’s a matter of opinion, how have we bailed out the NHS? It’s publicly funded and uses funds when required. That’s not a bail out. The NHS is not a business.
Obviously we pay for it but free at point of treatment.
I’m not sure how helpful or indeed accurate it is to suggest youngsters want everything for free. And I’m certainly no youngster :-(

Fair enough, I see this differently.
Sorry but anyone under 50 I would classify as a youngster, I am a bit old fashioned I suppose.
I must get out to walk my dog, as he is dribbling all over my trousers.

 

[happypig]

Would you risk the countries defence, with China and Russia, North Korea etc, looking power-obsessed?
Not for me, protection is key to our existence.

Nuclear missiles don't really protect us though, do they ? They offer a way to ensure we would be completely obliterated. Think of it like two families standing in a puddle of petrol, is it safer to give one or both of them a box of matches or to take all the matches away ?
I'd much rather we had better conventional forces at a fraction of the cost.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

The key word being control. Control is and will always remain with the Health Secretary. There are already foreign companies providing services to the NHS but they don't control it. It's the usual outburst from the drama queens such as the OP.

The health secretary of a government and party that, in the words of Cummings, doesn’t care about the NHS. Thankfully we did all that clapping so everything should be fine...

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

Just my opinion. You started the thread suggesting 'free' was important to you.
Nothing is 'free' in life, youngster seem to want everything handed to them on a plate.

If that was the case, which it isn’t but hey let’s just blame the youth of today right, surely, as products of our environment, it’d be the fault of the generation that raised them, no?

 

[Live by the sea]

Hardly a neutral news source now is it? The fact you follow it explains a lot.

Agree , hardly a neutral news source . Scaremongering from the OP. Nothing more . I agree the fact the OP even follows this news source says it all really . File under the bin .