Sam Allardyce new West Ham manager

[Pavilionaire]

There's a lot of talk about "the sort of football" managers play, but it's nonsense. Do fans really care about the sort of football you're playing, if you're picking up results? It only seems to matter when you're struggling and it's an easy thing to moan about. If Sam Allardyce goes there and plays the percentage football which got Bolton promoted and kept them there, and which has sustained Blackburn's Premier League place for the last couple of years, I doubt West Ham fans will care too much.

I think the majority of West Ham fans do care. Rightly or wrongly, some fans want their football a certain way - I put Spurs, Celtic, Newcastle and West Ham into this category.

 

[bobby smith]

True Hammers fans will NOT accept the long ball game PERIOD

 

[HastingsSeagull]

Would he be stupid enough to completely change style. Surely it's a mix of manager's background and players at the club. If he went to Barca would they suddenly play hoof ball or would it be a mix.

 

[Brighton TID]

I'm sorry but this man represents everything that is wrong with English football and why it has stood still for so long. The whole big man in the box and lump the ball up to him and see what happens is frankly killing our game. Messi would never have played for Bolton because he is too small. This is sad for West Ham.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

It's difficult to like the bloke, but WH can expect no better in their position - no-one to blame but themsevles. From his perspective, whilst G, S & B must be a nightmare to work for, pocketing £1.25m a year and a pay-off WHEN you're fired unceremonuously in a year or so sounds fine if you're out of work - although he thinks he's good enough to manage Barca

 

[matthew]

Not sure what to make of it, but i'm sure West Ham fans will not like his style of play.

 

[Simster]

My wife's family are all hammers and to a man have all said that they won't renew their season ticket if he became manager...L1 bound? If you need a 'gritty, organised, determined manager to get them back to the premiership' then WTF are we doing with Gus

West Ham's "marvellous" fans never need much of an excuse to turn their backs on the club.

I remember this happening when they got relegated way back in the 90s and their gates slumped to about 11,000.


As for some of the anti-Allardyce nonsense on here, well it defies belief. West Ham are a championship club now, and Allardyce has proved competent enough at a much higher level. As has been said before, look at what he did at Bolton.

 

[Hotchilidog]

I don't think he's the right man for the club, BUT, he is probably the right man for the job. After Zola's Mr Nice Guy approach and Grant's lack of substance they might at least have someone in charge of the team for the first time in years.

If Parker, Green, Upson, and Cole all leave they may well be able to persuade Hitzelsperger and Ba to hang on at least until January with the promise of a fat promotion bonus, combined with a more West Ham spine of Noble, Sears (who is a decent champ player), a fit Collinson and a more mature Tomkins, they might get back up at the first attempt.

I very much doubt they will be near top spot though, but should be in the top six. They were last on merit this season, truly terrible and Sam has got big enough boots to give the collective kick up the arse they truly deserve.

 

[Hotchilidog]

West Ham's "marvellous" fans never need much of an excuse to turn their backs on the club.

I remember this happening when they got relegated way back in the 90s and their gates slumped to about 11,000.


As for some of the anti-Allardyce nonsense on here, well it defies belief. West Ham are a championship club now, and Allardyce has proved competent enough at a much higher level. As has been said before, look at what he did at Bolton.

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The gates slumped to 11,000 as a result of boycott in protest at a "bond scheme" the club was introducing, the incompetence of the board and a hike in ST prices when the team was shite. It was an effective protest, the bond scheme was a total failure and ST prices were slashed in effort to get the fans back.

I hope QPR fans do the same, if you do boycott, it can work.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

West Ham's "marvellous" fans never need much of an excuse to turn their backs on the club.

I remember this happening when they got relegated way back in the 90s and their gates slumped to about 11,000.


As for some of the anti-Allardyce nonsense on here, well it defies belief. West Ham are a championship club now, and Allardyce has proved competent enough at a much higher level. As has been said before, look at what he did at Bolton.

Are you a big fan of Tony Pulis as well?

 

[MattBackHome]

I thought he was holding out for Chelsea, Inter or Real; somewhere he could win multiple trophies every season?

 

[Simster]

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The gates slumped to 11,000 as a result of boycott in protest at a "bond scheme" the club was introducing, the incompetence of the board and a hike in ST prices when the team was shite. It was an effective protest, the bond scheme was a total failure and ST prices were slashed in effort to get the fans back.

I hope QPR fans do the same, if you do boycott, it can work.

Oh OK, fair enough then. I agree with you.

Are you a big fan of Tony Pulis as well?

I find that there is a lot of snobbery surrounding these sort of managers, which is odd as it's not as if there aren't agricultural sides in the lower half of many other respected European leagues. But in answer to your question, I'd say I have grudging respect for Pullis, along the same lines as Allardyce, without a doubt. Maybe moreso. Lets not forget that Pullis's Stoke side were the only team this season to totally outclass the Albion. There is a place for his type of football in the game, for sure. Indeed, they provide a service. Arsenal like to stroke the ball about, but it's not much good if they can't defend the sort of well worked corner that Stoke excel at.

Finally, lets assume we went down after Poyet jumped ship at Christmas *shudder*, I think I'd be prepared to give a manager at least one season if he came with a reputation of promoting sides out of league one at the expense of tippy tappy football. I certainly wouldn't be turning my back on the club for hiring such a manager.

 

[Questions]

Oh OK, fair enough then. I agree with you.

I find that there is a lot of snobbery surrounding these sort of managers, which is odd as it's not as if there aren't agricultural sides in the lower half of many other respected European leagues. But in answer to your question, I'd say I have grudging respect for Pullis, along the same lines as Allardyce, without a doubt. Maybe moreso. Lets not forget that Pullis's Stoke side were the only team this season to totally outclass the Albion. There is a place for his type of football in the game, for sure. Indeed, they provide a service. Arsenal like to stroke the ball about, but it's not much good if they can't defend the sort of well worked corner that Stoke excel at.

Finally, lets assume we went down after Poyet jumped ship at Christmas *shudder*, I think I'd be prepared to give a manager at least one season if he came with a reputation of promoting sides out of league one at the expense of tippy tappy football. I certainly wouldn't be turning my back on the club for hiring such a manager.

I agree. We have got a bit precious about this beautiful tippy tappy football all of a sudden. Jeez we`ve only been playing it for 5 minutes. Tony Pullis is an excellant manager, doing a great job at Stoke. They score goals from set pieces and a more direct style of play than many other teams play and I like watching them play on the box and seeing how other managers combat their style. Big Sam has been unfairly sacked from his last 2 jobs by chairmen (chairpersons) who are impatient and think they are bigger than they really are.

and now he works for Golds and Sullivan. Don`t move house yet Sam.

 

[Seagull Steve]

A club who have lost their way and, perhaps more importantly, lost their soul.

West Ham used to stand for loyalty, homegrown players, passing football and a touch of flair. That's all gone with this appointment. I see this as akin to Spurs appointment of George Graham, i.e. we've tried everything else, we're desperate, we'll try anything. He might steady the ship, but he certainly won't be doing it the West Ham way.

Agree to some extent, but seriously, when was the last time they played 'the West Ham way'? Zola tried to get them playing on the deck, and it never worked. Avaram Grant couldn't manage a wank, so he doesn't count. Big Sam is just what the Hammers need. He has already said he wants to play proper football at home, but will revert to type away. He is on talksport at the moment, and has said there has been no enquiry's for Parker, Green or Ba. Apparently Parker has said he wants to stay and help them secure promotion. I'll believe that when I see him turn down Spuds or anyone in the top half of the Prem.

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

There's a lot of talk about "the sort of football" managers play, but it's nonsense. Do fans really care about the sort of football you're playing, if you're picking up results? It only seems to matter when you're struggling and it's an easy thing to moan about. If Sam Allardyce goes there and plays the percentage football which got Bolton promoted and kept them there, and which has sustained Blackburn's Premier League place for the last couple of years, I doubt West Ham fans will care too much.

With respect (but not too much), more crap is talked about West Ham - and often by their own fans - than almost any club. These purveyors of the purest football who must not be sullied by the management of Big Sam have included, and in some of their most successful sides, the following football gods: Julian Dicks, Ray Stewart, Alvin Martin, Billy Bonds, Iain Dowie .... I could go on.

And Ninja Elephant is absolutely correct that fans mainly want to see their teams win, and most (true, not all) don't care too much about the means to the end. Stoke City were once the team of Dobing, Eastham, Greenhoff, Conroy - and what do the fans at the Britannia now think of Tony Pulis's long-throw and set-piece merchants? The roars when Rory Delap limbers up for another missile into an opposing area will tell you all you need to know ....

 

[danwa08]

Source: sky sports

source danwa08.......sunday 29/5/11.

 

[jevs]

Anyone that thinks Big Sam is not a fabulous appointment for the Hammers consdiering they are a Championship side is not a great appointment is deluded. He commads alot of respect and is great at man management, However, he has a GIANT head, which annoys me.

This ^^^

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Diouf will clearly be his first signing.

 

[Aldridge Prior]

I bumped into him yesterday at the petrol station when I was filling up my moped.

He told me he is going to sign Dimitar Berbatov as a straight swap for Scott Parker. He was eating a massive burger at the time.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

I see there may be a bid for WH again from Tony Herndandes ..... could that mean Allardyce is fired again by new owners .... for the third time.