When the invasion happened I don't think anyone thought that by the time we'd start arriving back home from the Villa game Kyiv wouldn't have been taken, which is a win in itself
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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
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TomandJerry
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Win for the short term, lose for the long term.
Putin has already threatened to use the most powerful, non nuclear bombs to attack/level Ukraine if he believes his army can't take it quick enough.
Which would cause an untold amount of innocent civilians to be killed.
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At the same time, the harder he hits, the more his own people will turn against him. So it may hasten his demise, as horrific as it might be.
Was there world sanctions given to the USA coalition in bombing Iraq and Afghanistan in trying to implement their own puppet governments?
The Russians basically carpet bombed Chechnya into submission, but as they were Muslims that was acceptable.
The Soviet Union cold war was already won, so why try bring NATO on its door step now ?
Putin had said even though he believes Ukraine is historically part of Russia, that if they stayed neutral and not wished to join NATO this could have been avoided.
The age of TV and mobile phones is a good propaganda tool. Russia could have been more brutal and won this war quicker, but don't want to cause too many civillian casualties in an era where the worlds media is looking in, but maybe not so much in other conflicts.
The Russians basically carpet bombed Chechnya into submission, but as they were Muslims that was acceptable.
The Soviet Union cold war was already won, so why try bring NATO on its door step now ?
Putin had said even though he believes Ukraine is historically part of Russia, that if they stayed neutral and not wished to join NATO this could have been avoided.
The age of TV and mobile phones is a good propaganda tool. Russia could have been more brutal and won this war quicker, but don't want to cause too many civillian casualties in an era where the worlds media is looking in, but maybe not so much in other conflicts.
TomandJerry
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Being the mad man he is, and what he has already alluded to doing, I can only but imagine him personally firing nukes (or at least trying to do so) as a last stand sort of thing before his demise
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TomandJerry
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Germany is to send 1,000 anti-tank weapons and 500 "Stinger" surface-to-air missiles to Ukraine, the government in Berlin confirms.
The move marks a major change from its long-standing policy of banning weapon exports to conflict zones.
"In this situation, it is our duty to support Ukraine to the best of our ability in its defence against Vladimir Putin's invading army," says Chancellor Olof Scholz.
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The move marks a major change from its long-standing policy of banning weapon exports to conflict zones.
"In this situation, it is our duty to support Ukraine to the best of our ability in its defence against Vladimir Putin's invading army," says Chancellor Olof Scholz.
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Neville's Breakfast
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Presumably that means a clear land route to the Ukrainian forces ? Russia are the only country operating in Ukrainian skies.
TomandJerry
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They have said via a third country, so assuming either:
Poland, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia
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Absolutely this. Fighting for democracy, your family and country, and for freedom is currently proving a match (against overwhelming odds) for fighting for a tyrant, just cos it's your job.
Billy the Fish
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Germany now agreeing to block swift access for Russia. Good to see the Germans climb off the fence
Wrong-Direction
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Will Putin not think the West sending weapons in is getting involved?
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TomandJerry
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They will see this as NATO/The West as supporting Ukraine.
Which will only strengthens the argument that Russia has been putting across.
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Neville's Breakfast
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Well, we do support Ukraine
It's a worry, but I also assume there's some sort of unsaid line where NATO/ UN will get involved if Russia cross it... I mean if Russia dared use chemical or biological weapons.
TomandJerry
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Which is exactly why Russia is invading to overthrow the West leaning government
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Neville's Breakfast
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I really don’t think Germany has ever been on the fence. They have a lot to lose and they are stepping up and taking the economic pain themselves. Admirable.
TomandJerry
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NATO countries are already supplying Ukriane with arms/weapons/money.
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Neville's Breakfast
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Perhaps they should invade Sweden as well ? We also support them. Russia doesn’t have a veto over the decisions of sovereign nations.
TomandJerry
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They have threatened Finland with invasion if they try/join NATO
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There is no other solution from here though is there? My understanding is that the nukes aren’t solely in his hands.