Rotherham Child Rape Scandal

[seagully]

I try to avoid commenting on political threads on here but oh well....

So instead of sympathy for the victims of this horrendous crime, yet again NSC turns this into a race issue.

The men who did this are scum regardless of their race, and I hardly think it even matters in this case- apart from the statement from the council workers fearing they would be labelled as racist.

The kind of small minded, 'us and them' fearmongering I've read so far on this thread is music to the ears of parties like UKIP and the BNP who can use it to their advantage to perpetuate the myth of the foreign 'bogeyman'.

Would there have been riots if this had been a 'white' paedophile ring? I very much doubt it. Although the crimes described in the report plumb new depths of depravity, there have been similar cases in the past where the perpetrators have been white and I don't recall seeing any riots. IMO the issue here is the failings of the authorities, not the race of the criminals, which I doubt matters one bit to the victims.

 

[Skylar]

So, would any politician come out and openly say that there are fundamental problems in many parts of the Pakistani culture? Brave person that does.

No. Wouldn't want to upset the two million Muslim community. How about addressing the concerns of the 58 million non Muslims in this country for a change.

 

[Albion Dan]

It's spread to a town near you, the last town where Asian men groomed white girls is Eastbourne and there have been reports that Asian men are targeting girl homes in Brighton but politicians have dismissed this but we all know it'll be a matter of time before it's reality (the truth) and not fiction is on Sky. The BBC love to hush these things up.

Let's not pretend this is an Asian issue.

 

[Acker79]

Before we get too far down the road of "it's the muslims" "wouldn't happen if it's the other way around" "I blame multiculturalism" let's not forget the widespread abuse of children by old white men in the priesthood, and the cover ups perpetrated by the church. Let's not forget about the recent uncovering of the abuse by old white men working at the BBC.

These people didn't abuse children because of the colour of their skin or their religion. They did it because they are horrible individuals who are barely enough to be considered people. They did it because in a lot of societies (western and eastern, rich and poor, muslim and christian) women and girls are treated as lesser than men, as objects and sexual toys.

Ignoring the abuse, for fear of being considered PC, for fear of being tainted, for fear of losing a prize asset or ruining a political career is wrong, completely and utterly wrong. There should be repercussions for the people who didn't act. This isn't one of those borderline things where it's understandable that they don't rush in. This should have been acted on.

 

[Skylar]

Would there have been riots if this had been a 'white' paedophile ring? I very much doubt it.

There would be if white men were gang raping 11 year old Asian (Muslim) girls and dousing them in petrol on a massive scale.

 

[sir albion]

Muslim men (Asian) never see a woman in their country because of strict rules wheras women wear Bukers and must be covered at all times and only leave the house by being escorted by the husband. They come to a western country and see our ladies and girls and they must be thinking they're looking at a porn magazine walking down the street so not having sex and their sex drives go into over drive then they look at the women as some ****ing sex object that is asking to be abused.

What does the west do? Turn a blind eye due to multiculturalism.

Yep that's exactly what many are like...Even the taxi drivers were always offering it to my ex while she was in the cab,very common they look for sexual pleasure while their woman are treated like cabbages.They wear burkers etc because of the threat of adultery and only the men can see them in the house,its shocking that we allow this kind of treatment towards woman in this country

 

[Skylar]

Let's not pretend this is an Asian issue.

Sky news and the report say it's Pakistani men so what other race is involved in these gang rapes?

 

[sir albion]

There would be if white men were gang raping 11 year old Asian (Muslim) girls and dousing them in petrol on a massive scale.

That was my point.

 

[Leighgull]

It's the tip of the iceberg. Follow the rabbit and you'll see how far the rabbit hole goes. What is so shocking is that it's still goes on today on massive proportions but the establishment don't want the public to know in fear of community cohesion.

What community cohesion is that then? It reads as if there is a community of violent child rapists living in plain sight of the rest of the community in these northern dumps. These guys don't engage with the wider community more than to sell their kebabs and drive their minicabs. They recognised that there are local white girls who are very vulnerable and desperate for a boyfriend to look after them, they can't get sex on tap from the women they repress at home so they go around raping and exploiting these kids.

Community cohesion? My bumhole.

 

[Wilko]

I try to avoid commenting on political threads on here but oh well....

So instead of sympathy for the victims of this horrendous crime, yet again NSC turns this into a race issue.

The men who did this are scum regardless of their race, and I hardly think it even matters in this case- apart from the statement from the council workers fearing they would be labelled as racist.

The kind of small minded, 'us and them' fearmongering I've read so far on this thread is music to the ears of parties like UKIP and the BNP who can use it to their advantage to perpetuate the myth of the foreign 'bogeyman'.

Would there have been riots if this had been a 'white' paedophile ring? I very much doubt it. Although the crimes described in the report plumb new depths of depravity, there have been similar cases in the past where the perpetrators have been white and I don't recall seeing any riots. IMO the issue here is the failings of the authorities, not the race of the criminals, which I doubt matters one bit to the victims.

I agree with you to a point but how far to you go ignoring who is committing these crimes before getting your head out the sand. Like you, I don't want this to be a race issue but the facts are it is.

My first thoughts are for the poor victims too but then surely the immediate reaction is to then consider what drove such horrific acts to happen, at some point we need to identify the true root of the problem.

 

[seagully]

I agree with you to a point but how far to you go ignoring who is committing these crimes before getting your head out the sand. Like you, I don't want this to be a race issue but the facts are it is.

My first thoughts are for the poor victims too but then surely the immediate reaction is to then consider what drove such horrific acts to happen, at some point we need to identify the true root of the problem.

The root of the problem is that these men are violent scum committing horrific crimes. I don't really see what that has to do with them being Asian?

Do people blame Jimmy Savile's crimes on the fact he was white? Or that he was Northern? No, because it simply isn't relevant.

 

[Skylar]

What community cohesion is that then? It reads as if there is a community of violent child rapists living in plain sight of the rest of the community in these northern dumps. These guys don't engage with the wider community more than to sell their kebabs and drive their minicabs. They recognised that there are local white girls who are very vulnerable and desperate for a boyfriend to look after them, they can't get sex on tap from the women they repress at home so they go around raping and exploiting these kids.

Community cohesion? My bumhole.

You best ask the Labour party and Tony Blair, they'll know everything about community cohesion as they love to push there agenda onto the British public.

 

[Soulman]

The inquiry team noted fears among council staff of being labelled "racist" if they focused on victims' description of the majority of abusers as "Asian" men.

que; Dave In Prague!

This "Asian" tag is completely out of order, the media are always referring to these crimes as "Asian". I know that many Asian people which includes many countries and religions, are annoyed at this term. It is the Muslims that are grooming etc, as has been proved in Oxford, Derby, Oldham etc etc.
Unfortunately the papers/media will not print Muslim grooming, happy to be able to include Indians, Thais, Chinese etc etc under the term "Asian" grooming.

 

[sir albion]

It is going to take a strong journalist or politician to do it but someone needs to come out and state that there are serious problematic cultural values and beliefs in SOME factions of the muslim community, the fact they would be more scared of being labelled a racist than highlighting what many people are thinking is a sad indictment of our current society.

My ex girlfriend is from Blackburn, she and her friends were quite open about their dislike for some Pakistani men in the area, I was not impressed with her attitude at all until I heard all the stories they had all been through. The strongest racism that exists in that city is the attitudes of some of the Pakistani men to white girls.

I am now anticipating a raft of thumbs down ratings and been labelled a racist, those of you that know me will know that is far from the truth.

We need to get past this racist label lark in this country...Fact is most of us know what these types are like,it happens every week and taxi drivers are the prime example of this.
Of cause im not goner sit here labelling them all in this way as most are really nice and genuine

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I try to avoid commenting on political threads on here but oh well....

So instead of sympathy for the victims of this horrendous crime, yet again NSC turns this into a race issue.

The men who did this are scum regardless of their race, and I hardly think it even matters in this case- apart from the statement from the council workers fearing they would be labelled as racist.

The kind of small minded, 'us and them' fearmongering I've read so far on this thread is music to the ears of parties like UKIP and the BNP who can use it to their advantage to perpetuate the myth of the foreign 'bogeyman'.

Would there have been riots if this had been a 'white' paedophile ring? I very much doubt it. Although the crimes described in the report plumb new depths of depravity, there have been similar cases in the past where the perpetrators have been white and I don't recall seeing any riots. IMO the issue here is the failings of the authorities, not the race of the criminals, which I doubt matters one bit to the victims.

While I certainly agree with you regards the victims being the forgotten ones in this appalling situation, the race of the perpetrators is an important factor in this case. Even the courts and police highlighted this issue being linked to 'culture' ( although that seems a highly inappropriate word to use ) and race when a Pakistani gang was sent to prison last year for grooming and raping young girls.

Ironically, most of the examples of young boys being abused can be laid at the door of WHITE male perverts.

While the race of the individuals isn't the only factor it is important to understand that if there is a problem around Asian gangs then the key group of people to help solve that problem is the Asian community. If race is left out of the assessment then it's going to be very difficult to engage with those communities to stamp this 'problem' ( once again a highly inappropriate word to use but I can't think of a better one ) out.

 

[Leighgull]

This "Asian" tag is completely out of order, the media are always referring to these crimes as "Asian". I know that many Asian people which includes many countries and religions, are annoyed at this term. It is the Muslims that are grooming etc, as has been proved in Oxford, Derby, Oldham etc etc.
Unfortunately the papers/media will not print Muslim grooming, happy to be able to include Indians, Thais, Chinese etc etc under the term "Asian" grooming.

Well, it's not though is it? It's predominantly Pakistani and afghani men with the odd Bangladeshi and Somali thrown in. It's not a "Muslim" problem it's a problem confined to very backward communities from poor rural backgrounds who happen to be Muslims.

 

[seagully]

While I certainly agree with you regards the victims being the forgotten ones in this appalling situation, the race of the perpetrators is an important factor in this case. Even the courts and police highlighted this issue being linked to 'culture' ( although that seems a highly inappropriate word to use ) and race when a Pakistani gang was sent to prison last year for grooming and raping young girls.

Ironically, most of the examples of young boys being abused can be laid at the door of WHITE male perverts.

While the race of the individuals isn't the only factor it is important to understand that if there is a problem around Asian gangs then the key group of people to help solve that problem is the Asian community. If race is left out of the assessment then it's going to be very difficult to engage with those communities to stamp this 'problem' ( once again a highly inappropriate word to use but I can't think of a better one ) out.

Thans for the well thought out and measured reply to my post

I do see your point regarding the engagement with the communities involved. It is more the emotive, chest beating rhetoric surrounding the race of the perpetrators which worries me.

 

[BigGully]

The root of the problem is that these men are violent scum committing horrific crimes. I don't really see what that has to do with them being Asian?

Do people blame Jimmy Savile's crimes on the fact he was white? Or that he was Northern? No, because it simply isn't relevant.

You really are missing the point on this one, your misunderstanding of the racial element of these cases shows a naivity beyond belief.

The judge in a recent rape gang in Rochdale said this about the race element to the abuse.

The girls were trated "as though they were worthless and beyond respect", The judge added: "One of the factors leading to that was the fact that they were not part of your community or religion.

There is no defense in these cases, perverts yes, but the perpertrators were vile abusive racists, overlooked by mainly white politicians, some with a total disregard for the safety of its young victims, based on a fear of them then losing votes or them themselves being labelled racists, dispicable behaviour by so many people.

 

[sir albion]

I try to avoid commenting on political threads on here but oh well....

So instead of sympathy for the victims of this horrendous crime, yet again NSC turns this into a race issue.

The men who did this are scum regardless of their race, and I hardly think it even matters in this case- apart from the statement from the council workers fearing they would be labelled as racist.

The kind of small minded, 'us and them' fearmongering I've read so far on this thread is music to the ears of parties like UKIP and the BNP who can use it to their advantage to perpetuate the myth of the foreign 'bogeyman'.

Would there have been riots if this had been a 'white' paedophile ring? I very much doubt it. Although the crimes described in the report plumb new depths of depravity, there have been similar cases in the past where the perpetrators have been white and I don't recall seeing any riots. IMO the issue here is the failings of the authorities, not the race of the criminals, which I doubt matters one bit to the victims.

It is a race issue wether you like it or not...they prey on white woman and that's a big issue...stop being bloody blinded like most people nowadays,just seems like other races are untouchable in modern day britain.

Most rapes i bet are carried out by,eastern europeans,blacks and asians...whenever i hear about rapes this is how they're described.

 

[seagully]

You really are missing the point on this one, your misunderstanding of the racial element of these cases shows a naivity beyond belief.

The judge in a recent rape gang in Rochdale said this about the race element to the abuse.

The girls were trated "as though they were worthless and beyond respect", The judge added: "One of the factors leading to that was the fact that they were not part of your community or religion.

There is no defense in these cases, perverts yes, but the perpertrators were vile abusive racists, overlooked by mainly politicians, some with a total disregard for the safety of its young victims, based on a fear of them then losing votes or them themselves being labelled racists, dispicable behaviour by so many people.

So these men were racist, introverted scum who preyed on young girls/women. What has that got to do with them being Asian?

I have friends who are Pakistani, are you saying they are more likely to rape someone due to their religion/creed? Do me a favour. These men are scum, pure and simple.