Referee!

[mune ni kamome]

I agree that refs lately are crap and inconsistant but what we don't know or hear is the moaning and backchat to the refs from our players. Maybe we aren't helping ourselves, maybe some of our players say things that upset refs more than other teams. Maybe the latin temperament is rubbing off on our players and getting up referees noses. They are only human. I've run the line in local football in the past and many's the time I wanted to stick one on the foul-mouthed little b*stards

 

[Lord Bamber]

There is no way the Burnley player reaction to Barnes tackle was a red card,

Interesting view. So attempted strangulation is not a red card offence? The commentator on the FL show commented (as a football commentator probably well educated in the subject) in his view, the wrong man got sent off.

Still quite an early shout for most ridiculous post of the year.

 

[PriapismBoy]

Think the refs were better last year in league 1

 

[Kazenga <3]

Think the refs were better last year in league 1

I think its more that we were just always winning- nothing worth getting heated about.

 

[Deadly Danson]

have you seen the replay?
or just the split second at the game.
burnley player did not STRANGLE anyone
or would have recieved a red card on the day or on video evidance




You have GOT to be joking. That was the absolute gold standard classic example of a red card offence. Barnes should have gone but having sent off Vincelot for his offence then the Burnley player HAD, HAD, HAD to go. Or are you saying trying to strangle an opponent is now allowed?

I always accept refs make mistakes and often far less than our own players but consistency and common sense has to be taught and that's all I ask. Yesterdays ref showed neither of those traits and before you say refs are not allowed to show common sense and have to apply the laws of the game I would point to all the top refs, Webb, Collina, Durkin etc having an abundance of common sense which is what sets them apart from the likes of D'Urso, Bennett, Danson and Prosser.

[/QUOTE]

Yes, seen the replay many times. 100% the Burnley player had to go. Any attempt to suggest otherwise is, in my opinion, bizarre and frankly astonishing. But seems we will have to agree to disagree,

 

[kevo]

Yes, seen the replay many times. 100% the Burnley player had to go. Any attempt to suggest otherwise is, in my opinion, bizarre and frankly astonishing.

This!

 

[perseus]

When will we get a decent one?

Today Navarro got booked for taking a free kick too quickly, I have never seen this in 25 years of following the Albion. Yet they made 22 fouls against us, at least 10 of which were against Noone but Cov only picked up two bookings. He also missed the two handed shove on Noone in the corner that resulted in his hamstring strain.

Would we have won with a different ref? Probably not, but when the opposition are allowed to neutralise our best attacking threat through foul play what chance do we have?

It is not a bookable offence according to the rules.

 

[kevo]

It is not a bookable offence according to the rules.

You can be booked for 'dissent by action' - so I suppose taking a free-kick without waiting for the whistle would fall under that category.

It isn't the first time it's happened by any means - Fabregas got booked for the same thing for Arsenal in the Champions League.

 

[1066familyman]

Interesting post about Poyet building bridges with refs and refs meeting every two weeks and bringing preconceptions into the game.

I've was told that John Fashanu employed a 'trick' whilst Wimbledon captain in order to keep the refs off of Jones, Wise et al for as long as possible. Fashanu would introduce himself to the ref just before a game on first name terms and ask friendly questions about his family etc, such as how's little Johnny getting on at school etc etc. He would then finish with words along the lines of...any problems with my lot, come and see me first and as captain I'll deal with them. Consequently as soon as the likes of Jones start sailing close to the wind, the ref would call Fashanu in to have a word. Fashanu would then march over to Jones, out of earshot of the ref, wave a finger at Jones and say - " You keep on doing what you're f***ing well doing ! " He'd then trot back to the ref and tell him he's had a word and that it won't happen again.

Perhaps just an after dinner type funny story from Fash ?, but I wonder if there's a basis of truth in it and just how much time from yellows and indeed actual yellows & reds it saved Wimbledon from? Refs calling the captains in for a chat to try to calm a game that's getting out of hand isn't unusual, so I suspect this is not just a totally made up story By Fashanu.

My point is not that refs can somehow be 'bought', I don't believe that for a minute and I have complete trust that all refs at a professional level are totally impartial. However, a lot of our disciplinary problems this season HAVE been down to petulance, let's be honest, and so perhaps Gus and the players really could work on building those bridges with refs. I honestly don't think we are a dirty team at all, but we are petulent, and perhaps refs are coming into games with the mindset of not taking any nonsense from our players and so getting the cards out when they might otherwise have stayed in their pockets

 

[1066familyman]

I think it's tad arrogant to suggest that anyone who hasn't been on a referring course by definition doesn't know the LAWS of the game and is therefore criticising refs from a position of ignorance.

As was suggested, I've refereed plenty of youth football games. I haven't been on a course but I consider myself fully conversant with the RULES of the game. I've also seen youth refs who have been on courses and have all the gear but no idea too. At youth level especially, common sense is key to being a good ref. My marker has always been letting the game flow as much as possible whilst making sure the young players learn the rules of the game as they play. For instance, I might set a marker of allowing a foul throw to be retaken by the player, explaining what caused the foul throw and giving them the chance to take it again correctly before awarding it to the other team. Depending on the age group will depend on how I apply this. I've only ever reffed up to U13's and I've never booked or sent a player off. At that age, it would just be counter productive. Have I made mistakes ?...of course I have - the person who never made a mistake never made anything. I've heard all the idiot parents, but have never really had a problem from a player. Do I enjoy reffering ?, not really, no. The parents put me off and I wouldn't want to be a professional ref working in front of thousands of hate filled fans for all the tea in China !

I see no reasons why fans can't have an opinion though. I've been to every game home and away this season bar 'Boro and I still stand by my claim that we are not a dirty team and I've come away from games wondering how we end up with so many cards. As said earlier, I can only think it's our petulance that's doing it. I think the overall standard of refereeing has been poor in terms of consistency and applying common sense. I'm not blaming refs for our results - we deserved to lose yesterday regardless - but yes, I stand by my claim that yesterdays refs, in common with a lot of others this season, was poor.

 

[Sweeney Todd]

BBC Sport - Birmingham 3-0 Blackpool

First Albion...and now Blackpool...

Perhaps Mr Pawson dislikes seaside clubs?

 

[briref]

Fans can have an opinion, absoloute no problem with that.
But Brighton have played 25+ games this year, and week n week out, fans criticize the referee for making perfectly correct decisions.
Every game i hear the referee is this that the other, followed up by post after post.
If the officials were as bad as fans made out, action would be taken.
They make mistakes, as does everyone, though they are not as SHIT as people are making out.

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

I'd like to see the ref assessor report made available to managers / public. This may help them understand the decison made once the see a pure nuterals perspective.

Do they give refs a score rating? If yes, why not publish a refs league table [inc cards] as this will help refs [and everyone else] see if they have a good or not so good ref. As mentioned above, I'd not be happy if several thousand fans were screaming "You don't know what you're doing!" whilst doing my paid [professional] job of work.

 

[Woodchip]

d'Urso seems to have righted a wrong or two today.

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

Stats say we committed just FIVE fouls today.
Still got a yellow and a red - same as or oponents who comitted more than twice the number of fouls [12].

Still seem out of balance to me ....
[agree one dangerous tackle can be a red, but surely the stats should align over many games?]