Premiership Managers On Failing Youth Academies

[Mendoza]

There's some fascinating interviews on Sky Sports News about Premiership managers and youth academies.

The main jist is everyone thinking they are not working, and thinking of scrapping them.

Why do they say that, when it is them that are forcing youth teamers out of first teams in the first place. It is them that wont play them as they have no experience, so they buy a cheap foreign alternative.

Premiership managers like ferguson are saying that academies dont provide enough quality and they are flawed. So why doesnt he do something about it?
Howard Wilkinson is saying this was always going to happen, and he can see england not making a world cup in about 15 years time.


The only premiership team really making use of youth academies is Arsenal, but even there if you are English you seem to lose out. I.e. Bentley, Stokes, all the rest of the youth team are jonny foreigners.


Really annoys me that premiership managers cant see it is them that are causing the problem. When lower league teams have to survive on it and sell the best players to play bit part roles in "bigger" clubs

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

If they are good enough they will break through.

 

[Les Biehn]

If they are good enough they will break through.

I used to think it was true but I'm not so sure. I think that is a large percentage of it but I also think its how they are nurtured.

Take the Leeds youth team that beat the United youth team with Beckham, Scholes etc in it. Hardly any of them players came through because Graham had no interest in bringing them through but the ones at United did because Fergie nurtured them right.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Depends on clubs.

Thats why I am suprised everytime a young player goes to Chelsea from another club - The two Leeds kids for example.

If Sinclair had been at any other number of clubs he would be a Premiership player now.

Also altho they are not English Arsenals youth sides do bring up a lot of class players.

 

[Albion Dan]

Howard Wilkinson is saying this was always going to happen, and he can see england not making a world cup in about 15 years time.

Well that would hardly be uncommon would it. 1974, 1978, 1994.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

This thread does seems to be in the "lets blame the premiership for everything" file

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

Basically the Premiership doesn't give a shit about bringing on young English players anymore, which why the acadamy system was started.
It is so competitive and with so much money involved Premiership managers would rather go an buy a foreign 20-21 year old rather than wait for a local youngster to come through the ranks.
I also think agents have played a part in all of this, they overprice the English youngsters and therefore the Premiership clubs go for cheaper foreign alternatives.

 

[Les Biehn]

I think Benitez has a point he is just going about it in the wrong way. It would undermine the league to introduce reserve sides that can't enter the top flight. However if more small clubs acted as feeder clubs so as young players would get their chance there while that club still had the opportunity to progress to the top flight it would create a competative environment where youngsters will get their chance.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

I think Benitez has a point he is just going about it in the wrong way. It would undermine the league to introduce reserve sides that can't enter the top flight. However if more small clubs acted as feeder clubs so as young players would get their chance there while that club still had the opportunity to progress to the top flight it would create a competative environment where youngsters will get their chance.

Trouble is Les are that rules prevent feeder clubs from being established in this country.
I like the idea someone talked about on the other thread about reserve team football.
Why don't we do like they do in the AFL in Oz. They play their reserve games before the 1st team match. That gives the managers plenty of matches for their reserve team players and the fans can see tow matches instead of one.
But until the Premiership are forced to play 5-6 English born players in their sides and agents are banned from football in this country, I can't see acadamies being looked upon as a good thing by Premiership managers.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Basically the Premiership doesn't give a shit about bringing on young English players anymore, which why the acadamy system was started.
It is so competitive and with so much money involved Premiership managers would rather go an buy a foreign 20-21 year old rather than wait for a local youngster to come through the ranks.
I also think agents have played a part in all of this, they overprice the English youngsters and therefore the Premiership clubs go for cheaper foreign alternatives.

What bollocks.

Chelsea - Terry
Everton - Rooney
Arsenal - Cole
Man utd - Beckham, Nevilles etc
Liverpool - Gerrard, Owen
Newcastle - Taylor
Spurs - young, King, Campbell
Charlton - Koncesky(spl)
West Ham - Lampard
Wigan - Baines
Watford -Young
Bolton - Nolan
Man City - Barton, Richards
Fulham -
Sheff -
BlackBurn- Dunn
Reading -
Boro - Downing
Pompy - O neil
Villa - Barry

The only 3 clubs I cant think of that have not brought a player through to play at at least u21 level is Reading, Sheff and Fulham.

The list above is bigger of course but only tried to give an example of a couple for each club.

 

[enigma]

Fulham- Sean Davis, Zat Knight, Rosenior....

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Fulham- Sean Davis, Zat Knight, Rosenior....

Good call - just recalled Knight

 

[pishhead]

why not change the rules so teams have to put more faith in younger english players, like all prem teams have to field a minimum of 2 players who were brought through the youth system, teams will then spend more time on young players when they realise that they are the players of the future. This will obviously benefit the national team in the future.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

why not change the rules so teams have to put more faith in younger english players, like all prem teams have to field a minimum of 2 players who were brought through the youth system, teams will then spend more time on young players when they realise that they are the players of the future. This will obviously benefit the national team in the future.

Will it tho?

It means weaker players will come through and make top flight matches easier.

 

[Mendoza]

The premiership would look a whole lot different if every team had to field, for example

1 youth team graduate (british)
1 youth team graduate (other nationality)
3 british players

that would then give more chance for great qualities young british talent play at the highest level, and improve the national team.


the english team now, is quite young, the under 21's are pretty good, but there isnt really much hype at the crop below the under 21's

who are the cream of the english teenagers at the moment? are there 10?

walcott, sinclair....

 

[pishhead]

Will it tho?

It means weaker players will come through and make top flight matches easier.

but thats not the case the young kids have not suddenly become shit, we have always produced decent players we are nowhere near the worst look at the average age of our national team and im sure it is up there with the youngest.

You gotta give the kids a chance.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

but thats not the case the young kids have not suddenly become shit, we have always produced decent players we are nowhere near the worst look at the average age of our national team and im sure it is up there with the youngest.

You gotta give the kids a chance.

and my list above shows clubs do.

If you did that we would still have players like Jody Morris playing in top flight.

Funny how we have not failed to get to a major final since the influx of forign players

 

[crosbysleftear]

Sheff

Tonge and I think Jags came thrpugh the Youth team set up as well.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Tonge and I think Jags came thrpugh the Youth team set up as well.

Did Either play for u21s? - Tonge did didnt he?

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

What bollocks.

Chelsea - Terry
Everton - Rooney
Arsenal - Cole
Man utd - Beckham, Nevilles etc
Liverpool - Gerrard, Owen
Newcastle - Taylor
Spurs - young, King, Campbell
Charlton - Koncesky(spl)
West Ham - Lampard
Wigan - Baines
Watford -Young
Bolton - Nolan
Man City - Barton, Richards
Fulham -
Sheff -
BlackBurn- Dunn
Reading -
Boro - Downing
Pompy - O neil
Villa - Barry

The only 3 clubs I cant think of that have not brought a player through to play at at least u21 level is Reading, Sheff and Fulham.

The list above is bigger of course but only tried to give an example of a couple for each club.

What part of my post do you think is bollocks?
There is not that many English players there that play for English clubs is there? The whole point of the acadamies as I see it was to help the England team in the long run. The more English players playing in Premiership sides the better for England. As I see it there aren't many English first team players playing in the Premiership nowadays.