[Travel] Potential Speeding Ban

[birthofanorange]

Because a lot of us CAN multitask and drive manual vehicles!

Jeez.....I don't drive a car anymore.I haven't needed nor wanted one (manual or otherwise) for the past 20 years. I said this earlier.

 

[birthofanorange]

Because that’s specifically covered on speed awareness courses. They explain that urban speeding is in part caused by the old and outdated routine learnt from lessons, of working your way up through the gears. People like rote head to 4th. In a modern car, that invariably means upping the speed over a limit to justify the gear, to prevent juddering. The experts are clear …. drop a gear and slow down.

IF I drove a car...and I don't (I passed my test in a manual, and drove one for over 20 years) I fully agree.
Point is, I never mentioned driving a car, manual or automatic.
I do not have a car. Hope that's clear, now.

 

[Algernon]

You missed the point

Which was both arguments seek to justify breaking the law by saying that one is still safe and competent to drive when doing so.

A long while back someone in a government dependent decided on some arbitrary speed limits.
There was probably a few slide rules worth of data gathering back then, no telematics, no exact measurement of what was safe and what wasn't.
Our speed limits have been in place for many decades and although vehicle safety technologies have improved immensely and become common place we are still bound by these same cursory old speed limits.
To break a speed limit doesn't make it unsafe. I think it could become unsafe when the state of the car, it's steering, brakes, tyres etc, the driver's reaction times, road surface, road conditions etc etc are all taken into account.
It's also a victim less"crime" until something goes amiss.


Saying that though there have to be limits but surely if the government were really interested in all our safety then we'd have to stick below 20mph ish everywhere and be damned how long it took you to get from a to b.
And I don't believe you can say that they've taken everything into consideration and come up with our limits as a happy medium.
That's just a cop out.

If you speed you run the risk of having to pay even more money to the govt.
If you don't want to give them your dosh then don't speed.

 

[Zeberdi]

A long while back someone in a government dependent decided on some arbitrary speed limits.
There was probably a few slide rules worth of data gathering back then, no telematics, no exact measurement of what was safe and what wasn't.
Our speed limits have been in place for many decades and although vehicle safety technologies have improved immensely and become common place we are still bound by these same cursory old speed limits.
To break a speed limit doesn't make it unsafe. I think it could become unsafe when the state of the car, it's steering, brakes, tyres etc, the driver's reaction times, road surface, road conditions etc etc are all taken into account.
It's also a victim less"crime" until something goes amiss.


Saying that though there have to be limits but surely if the government were really interested in all our safety then we'd have to stick below 20mph ish everywhere and be damned how long it took you to get from a to b.
And I don't believe you can say that they've taken everything into consideration and come up with our limits as a happy medium.
That's just a cop out.

If you speed you run the risk of having to pay even more money to the govt.
If you don't want to give them your dosh then don't speed.

Sorry rather too long a post for me to digest at this time of night.

My first point was that even going 5 mp over a low speed limit eg 20-30mp increases the severity of any collision injury - that’s a proven.

My second point was that you can tell at low speeds a 5 mp speed difference - As I can testify by daily experience.

Neither points are related to the issue of how legal speed limits are decided and to suggest a blanket speed limit of 20 mp on all roads would be sensible risk mitigation policy is … well …I’ll put that down to the time of night.

 

[dazzer6666]

Jeez.....I don't drive a car anymore.I haven't needed nor wanted one (manual or otherwise) for the past 20 years. I said this earlier.

So why spend your evening metaphorically shouting at those that do whilst constantly contradicting yourself ?

 

[Goldstone1976]

Simply untrue, sadly. The 5 mph is barely noticeable and easily exceeded, as all experienced drivers know.
To use a walking comparison is also a little disingenous, as there's not really many distractions to worry about, other than a blister.
Yep, easy....very easy to drive in such a way, in clear conditions.
Again, I don't condone speeding, but I will stand by my point that in normal city driving, one simply doesn't have the option of focusing on a very small variable....if one wants to maintain a safe passage for all from A to B.
Are we really arguing over 5 mph?

1. I reckon you drive a bus/coach.
2. ‘Safe passage for all’ includes those not in your vehicle, as well as those in no vehicle at all. Also, ‘safe passage’ is the phrase used in PSV training…

The importance of driving a PSV at or below the speed limit will have been drummed into you during your learning and you’ll have been reminded of that importance by your employer on a regular basis.

You’re very vehement about how hard it is to drive at 20 without endangering others through inattention on the road ahead. It’s almost an obsession.

 

[PascalGroß Tips]

Jesus wept, just admit you're shit at driving and we can all just go to bed

I think he’s just on a wind up … oh, and shit at driving

 

[PascalGroß Tips]

Yep, if a ban looks likely (which, given you have 9 points already - and I have no idea how you lost track of that), your best bet is to own-up, plead for leniency, dress smartly, and hope for a reasonable judge.
I do wish you well, but please do slow down - for everyone's sake, not just to save your license.

Your first post on this thread. Maybe you need to heed your own advice in whatever means of transport it is you’re driving.

 

[mikeyjh]

Simply untrue, sadly. The 5 mph is barely noticeable and easily exceeded, as all experienced drivers know.
To use a walking comparison is also a little disingenous, as there's not really many distractions to worry about, other than a blister.
Yep, easy....very easy to drive in such a way, in clear conditions.
Again, I don't condone speeding, but I will stand by my point that in normal city driving, one simply doesn't have the option of focusing on a very small variable....if one wants to maintain a safe passage for all from A to B.
Are we really arguing over 5 mph?

I think we're actually arguing about your ability to drive at the correct speed. Why do you find sticking to 20 so challenging and not, for instance sticking to 50? You seem to imply that your struggles are shared by almost everyone else but I (and clearly many others) don't find it difficult at all, quite the opposite - Mooching along at 20 gives you plenty of time to scan and see what's going on outside and (gasp) occasionally glance at the speedo

For the record I drive and L200 and an S3, both as easy as each other to keep to 20.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

An amusing thread. NSC at its best

 

[Zeberdi]

An amusing thread. NSC at its best

Yes indeed - but maybe we should draw a line under the comments made by @birthofanorange specifically and move on - see his comments on another thread … many of us end up going down silly rabbit hole arguments late at night when we would rather not think about the realities of the World today

Post in thread 'India missile strike on Pakistan and Kashmir'
https://www.northstandchat.com/thre...-on-pakistan-and-kashmir.413356/post-11588111

 

[PascalGroß Tips]

Yes indeed - but maybe we should draw a line under the comments made by @birthofanorange specifically and move on - see his comments on another thread … many of us end up going down silly rabbit hole arguments late at night when we would rather not think about the realities of the World today

Post in thread 'India missile strike on Pakistan and Kashmir'
https://www.northstandchat.com/thre...-on-pakistan-and-kashmir.413356/post-11588111

Maybe to end this we just need someone to set up a poll on what we think @birthofanorange actually drives/rides … with the answer revealed late on this evening

 

[mikeyjh]

Maybe to end this we just need someone to set up a poll on what we think @birthofanorange actually drives/rides … with the answer revealed late on this evening

 

[Clive Walker]

Stop speeding moron!

 

[Zeberdi]

Maybe to end this we just need someone to set up a poll on what we think @birthofanorange actually drives/rides … with the answer revealed late on this evening

I think there’s a racing driver inside most of us truth be told

Personally I dream of this

But the reality is closer to THIS

 

[PascalGroß Tips]

I was thinking this …

 

[CheeseRolls]

Not proud of it, but I had a similar issue a few years ago. I pleaded guilty but begged to not be disqualified due to the impact it’d have on my work, staff and clients.

I’d just accumulated too many 3 pointers.

Most courts won’t want to see you out of work.
I wasn’t banned (thankfully) but was given 3 points to total 12 and no ban due to ‘exceptional circumstances’.

Did this change your driving behaviour at all?

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

 

[southstandandy]

DO REMEMBER - whatever the outcome, you must let your insurers know you have points. In the small print of nearly every policy if you fail to disclose a speeding offense or 3 points however you come to get them your insurance policy will almost certainly be invalid.

I know of three such people who got 3 points for similar offenses and didn't disclose this to their insurers and then had to make a claim later in the year and the insurers wouldn't pay up as in the 'small terms' their policy became invalid if they were not advised of an offense that carried points. BE CAREFUL.

That's why on every comparison site when you're looking for a quote there is always the section (usually at the bottom of the first page) asking for any endorcements to be disclosed.

Hope you can make a case for keeping your license, as others have said the courts won't want you to lose your job over this, so plead you need your car for employment. Good luck.

I do wonder how many people are driving around with invalid policies because they haven't updated an offense with their insurers?

 

[Chicken Run]

Maybe to end this we just need someone to set up a poll on what we think @birthofanorange actually drives/rides … with the answer revealed late on this evening

I have this bloke on ignore but i’m going to assume he’s been irritatingly busy on this thread so here’s my suggestion of what he drives..