players who underperformed/underachieved at international level?

[Daffy Duck]

I know I'll probably get slated on here, but Theo Walcott is my current under-achiever.

IMO, he's not improved one bit since he joined Arsenal.

 

[Buzzer]

Never given the chance:

Matt Le Tissier
Dennis Tueart
Stan Bowles

 

[keaton]

I would say Iniesta, Puyol and Xavi are at least as good as Messi, Ronaldo, Rooney, Van Persie. They do not become mega-stars as they don't play in positions that score goals, and players who score goals become mega-stars as the press big them up all the time.
Maldini is one of the best players to play the game but rarely gets mentioned as he was not an attacking goal scoring player.

Exactly.

This also reminds me of the Daily Mail back page from afew years ago at the Ballon D'or (i think)

"The five best players in the world ..... and Xavi"

 

[Ernest]

George Best
Kenny Dalglish
Ryan Giggs
Soon to be Gareth Bale

 

[Icy Gull]

Never given the chance:

Matt Le Tissier
Dennis Tueart
Stan Bowles

I think you can add Rodney Marsh to that list

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

I know I'll probably get slated on here, but Theo Walcott is my current under-achiever.

IMO, he's not improved one bit since he joined Arsenal.

I respect your opinion (always said before I completely disagree) but he has improved greatly in my opinion and the stats suggest it.

Last season he scored 14 and assted 11 which put him 4th on the league assist table and 4th on the overall Goals+assists table just behind Gareth Bale and Luis Suarez. Those two were lauded for their contribution.

This season he has an assist in the league and I think 2 already in the champions league. It may even be 3.

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

Len Shackleton who was dropped after a cheeky chipped goal over the keeper of World Cup holders West Germany was deemed disrespectful in 1954.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

I respect your opinion (always said before I completely disagree) but he has improved greatly in my opinion and the stats suggest it.

Last season he scored 14 and assted 11 which put him 4th on the league assist table and 4th on the overall Goals+assists table just behind Gareth Bale and Luis Suarez. Those two were lauded for their contribution.

This season he has an assist in the league and I think 2 already in the champions league. It may even be 3.

Last season his overall record in all competitions:
Games started 33
Goals scored 22
Assists 16

Ps I wasn't being THAT self centred and quoting myself. I was MEANT to edit my original post!

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

Think Dean Ashton should have been given a chance with England earlier...probably while he was at Norwich when it was clear that he added something that no other Englishman could (size AND technical ability). Shame his injuries came when they did.

Also think Owen Hargreaves could have been used better before his injury problems ruined his career....he had the added bonus of not growing up in the English system.

 

[Icy Gull]

Think Dean Ashton should have been given a chance with England earlier...probably while he was at Norwich when it was clear that he added something that no other Englishman could (size AND technical ability). Shame his injuries came when they did.
QUOTE]

His performance when we got well beaten by Crewe at Withdean stands out to me as one the best performances by an opposition player that I've ever seen against the Albion

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

His performance when we got well beaten by Crewe at Withdean stands out to me as one the best performances by an opposition player that I've ever seen against the Albion

remember it well...and I agree, I'm not sure I've seen better. He single handedly destroyed us.

Could have led England's front line for years...he's still only 29 ffs

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

remember it well...and I agree, I'm not sure I've seen better. He single handedly destroyed us.

Could have led England's front line for years...he's still only 29 ffs

He did his ankle in 2006 didnt he? 7 years ago, meaning he was basically done (as he never fully recovered) at 22/23

Crazy.

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

He did his ankle in 2006 didnt he? 7 years ago, meaning he was basically done (as he never fully recovered) at 22/23

Crazy.

yep...after a tackle from Shaun Wright-Phillips of all people. He did play for England in 2008 but he was pretty much done by then

 

[Tricky Dicky]

I know I'll probably get slated on here, but Theo Walcott is my current under-achiever.

IMO, he's not improved one bit since he joined Arsenal.

I agree. If you look at how much Oxy Chambeermaid improved in a year or so, I don't think Walcott has much in all his years. When he starts losing his pace, he'll have little left. I know lots of Arse fans, and none of them rate him.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

I know lots of Arse fans, and none of them rate him.

Even though he was the 4th most effective attacking player (goals+assists) in the whole of the Premier League last season?

Seems odd. I know 3 Arsenal season ticket holders and they think he's their most dangerous outlet. Not neccessarily the most talented (that goes to Cazorla) but the most effective by far.

 

[lawros left foot]

Alan Hudson, Frank Worthington,Tony Currie, Le Tissier, Alan Clarke, Malcolm McDonald, Rodney Marsh, any of these would walk into the present England team

 

[Smith DID score]

How about every England player since 1967?

 

[Buzzer]

Alan Hudson, Frank Worthington,Tony Currie, Le Tissier, Alan Clarke, Malcolm McDonald, Rodney Marsh, any of these would walk into the present England team

All great shouts too. Hudson was a ridiculously skilful player. What say everybody about Cantona? No denying he was brilliant in the Premiership, can't recall him doing anything for France. He probably had a bust-up though, knowing him.

And would Messi be another? Happy to be shot down over this one. (edit - someone beat me to it)

 

[brakespear]

Joe Hart (for the last couple of years).

 

[Buzzer]

How about every England player since 1967?

Bit harsh. Gary Neville, Beardsley, Sansom, Beckham, Sheringham to name a few were pretty much super reliable for England every time. Add Ashley Cole to that (as much as I dislike him).