Piers Morgan should be tried and imprisoned.

[Seagull73]

Morgan has done the honourable thing and resigned. Over to you Blair, Hoon, Rumsfeld (fill in your list of blundering warmongers here)

Interesting. He was very bullish this morning that he wouldn't be going anywhere. Did he jump or was he pushed? Who cares, at least that sulf-indulgent git won't be able to put his lies into print for the time-being.

As for Blair, Hoon? More questionable. Rumsfeld should definately be gone by now.....

 

[Row Z Creased Shirt]

Listening to the statement from the board at the Mirror, I think he was pushed. He had no option after the QLR press conference this afternoon. will we now find out who supplied the photos?

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Blair will only go when Brown has done the necessary groundwork. If he takes over now, Brown will become implicated in the on-going Iraq shambles and make himself as unpopular as the current sanctimonious leader. Give it a few months, however ...

 

[London Irish]

Seagull73, he was actually pushed. If only Parliament and Congress could do the same to their f***-up artists.

Here is the statement in full from The Daily Mirror.
‘‘The Daily Mirror published in good faith photographs which it absolutely believed were genuine images of British soldiers abusing an Iraqi prisoner.
However there is now sufficient evidence to suggest that these pictures are fakes and that the Daily Mirror has been the subject of a calculated and malicious hoax.
The Daily Mirror therefore apologises unreservedly for publishing the pictures and deeply regrets the reputational damage done to the QLR and the Army in Iraq.
The paper will continue to cooperate fully with the investigation.
The Board of Trinity Mirror has decided that it would be inappropriate for Piers Morgan to continue in his role as Editor of the Daily Mirror and he will therefore be stepping down with immediate effect.
Des Kelly, Deputy Editor, will assume the role of acting Editor.’’

 

[desprateseagull]

Piers - to resign, get the sack, or arrested?

i cannot beleive ANY paper editor would run these pics, fake or otherwise, without the go ahead from their legal teams- they surely must have realised there would be some serious flak caused, regard-less of their authenticity...

does anyone still have the original newspaper/s, to check what the wording of the original story was? what concerns me is that it wasnt the only set of pics to surface, and who/why omeone would want to set them up, anyway..

As i see it, if the pics are fake, morgan/ the mirror are liars,
have libelled the army etc big time, and should face the consequences.

'freedom of the press' is one thing, but its meaningless, and dangerous, if they dont take responsibility for what they print.

 

[Seagull73]

Re: Piers - to resign, get the sack, or arrested?

i cannot beleive ANY paper editor would run these pics, fake or otherwise, without the go ahead from their legal teams- they surely must have realised there would be some serious flak caused, regard-less of their authenticity...

does anyone still have the original newspaper/s, to check what the wording of the original story was? what concerns me is that it wasnt the only set of pics to surface, and who/why omeone would want to set them up, anyway..

As i see it, if the pics are fake, morgan/ the mirror are liars,
have libelled the army etc big time, and should face the consequences.

'freedom of the press' is one thing, but its meaningless, and dangerous, if they dont take responsibility for what they print.

Totally agree. I actually believe what the Mirror says, I don't think they did know they were fake, they just saw pound signs and headlines and were reckless and dangerous in sending them to print.

 

[Sorrel]

The Mirror (or maybe just its editor) was incredibly stupid to publish the pictures, but I'd be surprised if he's committed a crime. I'm glad he's resigned, because he clearly shouldn't be an editor when he prints things he doesn't know are real.

What's so stupid about it is that there are serious allegations behind some of this, and now the whole lot may be dismissed because the pictures are fake. The pictures being fake doesn't stop the allegations being true, but some may not have the ability to see this (or more likely, may decide not to). Because of this I hope the investigations by the army are published quickly, and independently verified.

One issue I find interesting in all this is the need for images to back stories up. The stories of American abuse are clearly true, as we have seen the pictures. Without them many people would suggest that it didn't happen. This is why the Mirror leapt on any pictures it could. It makes you wonder how anyone believed anything before the camera was invented.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Well The Mirror was wrong - at least so far as the photos were concerned - and so were some of us who defended the Mirror on the issue. Hands up to that one. There's a big untold story in there tho. Who set up the Mirror? Serving soldiers out to make a quick buck? Maybe. Or maybe the same people who decided the BBC should be hung out to dry over the Andrew Gilligan story. Far from being over, the most important part of this story has yet to emerge. IMHO, like.

 

[attila]

It's right that Morgan went. Now how about sacking the editors of the Mail and the Express for printing endless mindless, lobotomised scare stories about 'asylum seekers', thus increasing the BNP vote, racial attacks etc?
IF YOU'RE ALL GOING TO CARDIFF CLAP YOUR HANDS!

 

[Ernest]

It's right that Morgan went. Now how about sacking the editors of the Mail and the Express for printing endless mindless, lobotomised scare stories about 'asylum seekers', thus increasing the BNP vote, racial attacks etc?
IF YOU'RE ALL GOING TO CARDIFF CLAP YOUR HANDS!

How about sacking you for being a left wing cock ?

 

[Yorkie]

Well The Mirror was wrong - at least so far as the photos were concerned - and so were some of us who defended the Mirror on the issue. Hands up to that one. There's a big untold story in there tho. Who set up the Mirror? Serving soldiers out to make a quick buck? Maybe. Or maybe the same people who decided the BBC should be hung out to dry over the Andrew Gilligan story. Far from being over, the most important part of this story has yet to emerge. IMHO, like.

Serving soldiers wouldn't do that not even to make a quick buck. They would be aware of the implications. Signing the official secrets act is an important part of joining the forces which includes talking to the press.

If I had ever suspected any wrong doings when I was in the forces there is a well known procedure for doing so. The regulating branch in the Navy or the SIB in the Army would investigate it imdependantly.

 

[Spicy]

Those pictures may be faked but you can bet your bottom dollar that atrocities are being committed behind closed doors by British troops - as used to happen at the height of the Troubles in Northern Ireland. If you think that British Army are a load of good, wholesome, clean-living boys who are fighting against a vicious, nasty, morally-bankrupt enemy then you are VERY brainwashed.

I note your reference to the British army committing atrocities behind closed doors in Northern Ireland. Er, wasn't it the Irish who used to go around blowing up fellow Irishmen just because they didn't follow the same religion. Wasn't it also the Irish who did a nice turn in kneecapping, going into people's homes and shooting them dead in front of their families? Didn't they also do makeovers using tar and feathers? Raise their children on hatred so that kids of different religions cannot go the same school? I think you have forgotten exactly why the British army went into Northern Ireland - it was as a peace keeping force to keep the two sides apart. It was a no win situation for them.

I don't think anyone has claimed that the British army are good, wholesome, clean living boys - of course they aren't - they are trained to do a job, and if that job involves killing during a war then that is what they do. Those who commit atrocities are a small minority and should be brought to justice.

As far as Piers Morgan is concerned, wouldn't it be difficult to prove that he knowingly printed photographs which were fakes? I don't believe all this moral conscience rubbish that Editors trot out - they are interested in selling newsapers - that's why they print stories such as this.

 

[London Irish]

I note your reference to the British army committing atrocities behind closed doors in Northern Ireland. Er, wasn't it the Irish who used to go around blowing up fellow Irishmen just because they didn't follow the same religion. Wasn't it also the Irish who did a nice turn in kneecapping, going into people's homes and shooting them dead in front of their families? Didn't they also do makeovers using tar and feathers? Raise their children on hatred so that kids of different religions cannot go the same school? I think you have forgotten exactly why the British army went into Northern Ireland - it was as a peace keeping force to keep the two sides apart. It was a no win situation for them.

The conflict between the Loyalists and Nationalists in the north of Ireland is nothing to do with religion. Do you really think people kill each other because they believe or don't believe in transubstantiation? That is the thicko's guide to Northern Irish politics.

There is conflict in the north because the two communities have, for the past couple of centuries, had unequal access to the best jobs, housing and other economic opportunities. This is the responsibility of the British rulers who have used the Loyalists as a client population and created a divide-and-rule scenario. It's only when the Nationalists started kicking up a fuss about this that the British Army were sent over to supress them in 1969. To believe that the British Army play the role of neutral referee is absurd. There have been too many atrocities like Bloody Sunday, too many deaths in custody, too many Catholics murdered by a shoot-to-kill policy, too many proven links between the British Army and Loyalist paramilitary death squads.

The idea that the Irish are so brutish that they need the British to stop them killing each other is ignorance bordering on racism.

If the British quit Ireland, the Loyalists would have to accept equal status with the Nationalist community and there would be a period of reconciliation followed by peace. This is exactly what happened in Donegal, which, although the northern most county in Ireland, is part of the Dublin-ruled Irish Republic.

Donegal is almost exactly split between Protestants and Catholics and there has now been almost 80 years of uninterrupted peace between the two communities there, the Troubles have completely passed them by. This is where my family are from and it is a model of what a United Ireland would eventually look like if the British left.

 

[attila]

Ernie:

Caught a 2lb 6oz bass, 6 smaller ones, two flounders and two eels off Southwick
Beach yesterday on red ragworm.

 

[Ernest]

Ernie:

Caught a 2lb 6oz bass, 6 smaller ones, two flounders and two eels off Southwick
Beach yesterday on red ragworm.

I sat in my back garden listening to the speechs of Mrs Thatcher on my Walkman enjoying the sun.
She knew exactly what to do with the likes of YOU

 

[looney]

The conflict between the Loyalists and Nationalists in the north of Ireland is nothing to do with religion. Do you really think people kill each other because they believe or don't believe in transubstantiation? That is the thicko's guide to Northern Irish politics.

There is conflict in the north because the two communities have, for the past couple of centuries, had unequal access to the best jobs, housing and other economic opportunities. This is the responsibility of the British rulers who have used the Loyalists as a client population and created a divide-and-rule scenario. It's only when the Nationalists started kicking up a fuss about this that the British Army were sent over to supress them in 1969. To believe that the British Army play the role of neutral referee is absurd. There have been too many atrocities like Bloody Sunday, too many deaths in custody, too many Catholics murdered by a shoot-to-kill policy, too many proven links between the British Army and Loyalist paramilitary death squads.

The idea that the Irish are so brutish that they need the British to stop them killing each other is ignorance bordering on racism.

If the British quit Ireland, the Loyalists would have to accept equal status with the Nationalist community and there would be a period of reconciliation followed by peace. This is exactly what happened in Donegal, which, although the northern most county in Ireland, is part of the Dublin-ruled Irish Republic.

Donegal is almost exactly split between Protestants and Catholics and there has now been almost 80 years of uninterrupted peace between the two communities there, the Troubles have completely passed them by. This is where my family are from and it is a model of what a United Ireland would eventually look like if the British left.

Is this posted directly from a Sinn feinn manifesto?

Why dont you post the population distribution of Catholics and Protestants in the republic over the last 100 years?

Go on, I dare you?

You may get a more reasonable idea why they will fight to the death.

Oh and seeing your towing the IRA line............

If the British quit Ireland, the Loyalists would have to accept equal status with the Nationalist community and there would be a period of reconciliation followed by peace

Maybe you can answer the question that no Nationalist has answered, how do you get a population to accept unification when your blowing them to bits?


What do you mean Loyalists? Do you consider all Protestants terrorists?

I think you have got some explaining to do.

Oh the IRA oath of alleigence has a religous underpinning, have you read it? Or pledged it?

The idea that the Irish are so brutish that they need the British to stop them killing each other is ignorance bordering on racism.

This looks an extremely brutish rant, to accuse your opponents of being in some kind of denial rather than getting to grips with their arguements and finding some common cause is the hight of Ignorance and callous hatred.

 

[London Irish]

Even more incoherent than usual, Looney

 

[looney]

Nice bit evasion there loser. Try pointing out the bits you dont understand and I or another will help explain it to you.

Try this bit.............

Maybe you can answer the question that no Nationalist has answered to me yet, how do you get a population to accept unification when your blowing them to bits?

 

[METALMICKY]

Todays bit of trivia:

I played cricket against Piers Morgan's brother who played for Newick

 

[Simster]

Even more incoherent than usual, Looney

Nope, he's right on that one. You can't bounce a majority into something they don't want to do. The British Army went in to keep 2 feuding sides apart and I for one am tired (as an Englishman) of being told by assorted celtic types that we're to blame for everything. If the British moved out blah blah ... MY ARSE. If you were a proddy and in Northern Ireland and took a look at population shifts (10% of Eire was protestant before the war, now it's 2%) you too would be concerned if a united Ireland was on the cards, and rightly so.

(For the record, I do believe a united Ireland would be the best solution but it's got to be done on the terms of the majority and that idea will take time to swallow. I reckon special status would need to be given to Ulster with powers of veto, a bit like Quebec has in Canada)