Paul Barber responds on Albion managerial situation

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Clive Walker

Stand Or Fall
Jul 5, 2011
3,238
Brighton
"At this stage, we can’t and won’t put a time scale on how long we think this process might take"...................Because we have to wait for Paul Clement to finish his commitments with Real Madrid in the Champions League Final
 






Herne Hill Seagull

Well-known member
Jul 10, 2003
2,977
Galicia
I'm not sure what Barber, or the club, think Naylor is going to do in these circumstances. If they want somebody who's little more than a mouthpiece for the club in the local press, then that mouthpiece would have little credibility among the support, is not likely to be taken seriously and therefore read very little. The club can put out press releases through Paul Camillin which say exactly what they want - that is not the role of a newspaper. The fans expect, I think, local press to (within the bounds of objectivity) ask questions, offer analysis and, yes, occasionally talk about what might happen in future, or what has happened where there's an information vacuum. Naylor's damned by one side or the other whatever he does here.

My own view is that what he wrote wasn't particularly hysterical and may even prove to be accurate, in time. Bleating about it when you've said absolutely nothing yourself serves only to further irritate an already frustrated fan (and therefore customer) base.
 


Man of Harveys

Well-known member
Jul 9, 2003
18,766
Brighton, UK
I'm not sure what Barber, or the club, think Naylor is going to do in these circumstances. If they want somebody who's little more than a mouthpiece for the club in the local press, then that mouthpiece would have little credibility among the support, is not likely to be taken seriously and therefore read very little. The club can put out press releases through Paul Camillin which say exactly what they want - that is not the role of a newspaper. The fans expect, I think, local press to (within the bounds of objectivity) ask questions, offer analysis and, yes, occasionally talk about what might happen in future, or what has happened where there's an information vacuum. Naylor's damned by one side or the other whatever he does here.

My own view is that what he wrote wasn't particularly hysterical and may even prove to be accurate, in time. Bleating about it when you've said absolutely nothing yourself serves only to further irritate an already frustrated fan (and therefore customer) base.

Excellent post. Agree with every word of that.
 




Notters

Well-known member
Oct 20, 2003
24,869
Guiseley
Agree 100%, the seriously rich don't do this kind of investment purely for business reasons, they do it also for some degree of recognition and prestige so the suggestion he's gone tight or worse, maybe hasn't got the funds to spend to put us on a par with rivals, will not be comments well received - nor should they be when he's already spent well north of £100 million and counting and seen the start of any well deserved return delayed by a minimum of another 12 months!...
I'm sure there are plenty of reasons why Tony has invested in the Albion but I doubt any of them have anything to do with prestige, recognition or business. He's just a fan.
 


symyjym

Banned
Nov 2, 2009
13,138
Brighton / Hove actually
Think you were having a wet dream pal - BHAFC Mission statement

1.0 Mission Statement
Brighton and Hove Albion Football Club (“The Club”) aims to be a source of civic pride in the City of Brighton and Hove (“The City”). It will enhance the image and increase national awareness of the “City by the Sea” by:

1. Playing professional football at the highest possible level.
2. Managing the Club professionally so as to ensure a sustainable future for top class sport within the City.
3. Representing and caring for the interests of its supporters and the vibrant and diverse community of Brighton and Hove encouraging involvement through liaison and consultation groups.
4. Participating in the Football League campaign “Enjoy the Match” by eradicating anti-social behaviour specifically in the family area of the ground, making the experience more appealing to all supporters and especially families.
5. Developing the potential of young people seeking to achieve sporting excellence.
6. Expanding the important work of our Albion in the Community programme, creating opportunities for young people who are disadvantaged or who have special needs to learn and to take part in sport.
7. Providing a facility which will attract visitors to the City and create education, training and employment opportunities.
8. Developing opportunities that recognise and reflect the needs of different community groups in the City, providing additional places to play and opportunities to improve standards from grass roots to specialised coaching.
9. Promoting an understanding of the value to the wider community of sport with accessible and affordable community spectator facilities creating top level spectator and participator experience.
10. Enhancing and promoting the place of football in our City’s heritage and culture, and in the pursuit of sporting and civic values through partnerships across the commercial, public and education sectors.

Just a bunch of words put in sentences and bullet points. You will find that in all small local businesses and below is a mission statement from my local butcher.

1. Sourcing our meat at the highest possible level.

2. Managing the shop professionally so as to ensure a sustainable future for top class sausages within the City.

3. Representing and caring for the interests of its farmers and the vibrant and diverse community of Sussex encouraging involvement through liaison and consultation groups.

4. Participating in the local farmers market “Enjoy your burger” by eradicating inhumane slaughter specifically in the family area of the abattoir, making the experience more appealing to vegetarians and especially families.

5. Developing the potential of young people seeking to achieve chicken plucking excellence.

6. Expanding the important work of our Butchers programme, creating opportunities for young people who are disadvantaged or who have special needs to learn and to take part in pie making.

7. Providing a facility which will attract visitors to the City and create education, training and employment opportunities.

8. Developing opportunities that recognise and reflect the needs of different religious groups in the City, providing additional places to eat and opportunities to improve standards from grass roots to specialised sheep rearing.

9. Promoting an understanding of the value to the wider community of pheasant shooting with accessible and affordable community spectator facilities creating top level spectator and participator experience.

10. Enhancing and promoting the place of chicken keeping in our City’s heritage and culture, and in the pursuit of egg laying and civic values through partnerships across the commercial, public and education sectors.
 






itszamora

Go Jazz Go
Sep 21, 2003
7,282
London
Interesting bit from me is where he says the next manager will have the same responsibilities as Oscar and Gus. This suggests that nothing will change on the transfer front, which worries me as it's led to the last two managers leaving.
 


Finchley Seagull

New member
Feb 25, 2004
6,916
North London
Something of substance would've been nice.

It's a shame that one's who moan always shout the loudest. I'm sure that will have me down as someone who worships the club but what exactly are the club supposed to do? If they issued a statement with everything that happened, they'd be accused by people like you of lacking class. I genuinely wonder why you (and you're not alone) bother supporting the club. You obviously don't trust a word the club say!

From the rational point of view, there's nothing really wrong with Barber's statement. What else can he say? And obviously Jones and Burke will deal with the retained list as they are the most senior members of staff to do that. But we can't let that get in the way of people throwing their toys out of the pram.
 






Paul Reids Sock

Well-known member
Nov 3, 2004
4,458
Paul Reids boot
Interesting bit from me is where he says the next manager will have the same responsibilities as Oscar and Gus. This suggests that nothing will change on the transfer front, which worries me as it's led to the last two managers leaving.

Same here, to me it indicated that OScar was actaully offered more of a say when he mentions that he was offered the Manager title and the added responsibilities, but he turned it down

But then says that the new bloke will be manager but will have the same responsibilities the first team coach did. Very frustrating. The manage should e able tot source his own targets and be trusted with a budget. If he looks like exceeding the bduget then someone steps in or Paul/Tony have the final say on the transfers once he has tied them up.

It worries me that all on here knew that Obika was a joke of a footballer, yet our scouting team decided to not only scout but then SIGN the man
 


Finchley Seagull

New member
Feb 25, 2004
6,916
North London
Interesting bit from me is where he says the next manager will have the same responsibilities as Oscar and Gus. This suggests that nothing will change on the transfer front, which worries me as it's led to the last two managers leaving.

I'm pretty sure that Gus and Oscar left for different reasons. Poyet had been allowed to bring his own players in. That whole team was his except for a few youth team products. He may have left because of the budget but he had a massive impact on who we signed with the money available.

Oscar is more interesting. His side of the story is that he gave the club a list of players and they didn't sign any of them. Other people on here have said that he didn't want to be involved in player recruitment from what they've heard. As has been said elsewhere, the truth is somewhere in the middle probably.

The irony is, there are quite a few people who were slagging off Oscar before and during the play offs saying he should be sacked who are now slagging off the club for what's happened. Which makes me think they just like moaning!
 


Chris001

New member
Mar 30, 2011
774
Just a bunch of words put in sentences and bullet points. You will find that in all small local businesses and below is a mission statement from my local butcher.

This whole forum and what your about to read is "just a bunch of words put in sentences and bullet points"

Wikipedia's definition (or should i say their "bunch of words put in sentences and bullet points"):

- A mission statement is a statement of the purpose of a company, organization or person, its reason for existing.
The mission statement should guide the actions of the organization, spell out its overall goal, provide a path, and guide decision-making. It provides "the framework or context within which the company's strategies are formulated." It's like a goal for what the company wants to do for the world.
 
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Leighgull

New member
Dec 27, 2012
2,377
Point of order...when did we decide that Gus "left" because of player budget? I thought he went for gross misconduct? And he didn't leave...he was given the Spanish archer.
 


Miami Seagull

Grandad
Jul 12, 2003
1,467
Miami Florida, USA
I'm not sure what Barber, or the club, think Naylor is going to do in these circumstances. If they want somebody who's little more than a mouthpiece for the club in the local press, then that mouthpiece would have little credibility among the support, is not likely to be taken seriously and therefore read very little. The club can put out press releases through Paul Camillin which say exactly what they want - that is not the role of a newspaper. The fans expect, I think, local press to (within the bounds of objectivity) ask questions, offer analysis and, yes, occasionally talk about what might happen in future, or what has happened where there's an information vacuum. Naylor's damned by one side or the other whatever he does here.

My own view is that what he wrote wasn't particularly hysterical and may even prove to be accurate, in time. Bleating about it when you've said absolutely nothing yourself serves only to further irritate an already frustrated fan (and therefore customer) base.

I agree with this too. I'd go on to say that this is the first time Naylor has written something negative or even something that questions goings on at the club for a long time. His questioning style and substance at interviews, especially of the management team has been awful this year and I honestly believed he was just a mouthpiece for the club. As an example, if he knew these issues were rife at the club, why weren't they raised before and questions asked? I've felt , for a long time now, that we've lacked a good and effective journalist covering the club.
 


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