on the subject of London Irish

[shingle]

from the nsc archives

quoteriginally posted by shingle
Have you ever considered that some of the immigrants might be fascists LI



Nah - I tend to sprinkle a healthy pinch of salt on all the bollocks written about so-called Muslim terrorism in Britain because exactly the same was written about the community I came from 20 years ago. It's just yet another aspect of the tired old, xenophobic, scapegoating scare stories of the anti-immigration rightwing, faithfully reproduced in our gutter tabloid press

Last edited by London Irish on 08-03-2005 at 02:38 AM


mmm interesting

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I really don't think we should be giving the oxygen of publicity to London Irish, it only encourages him

 

[smudge]

I think we all know he's a poor mans George Galloway, but that looks like a lot of effort to go to just to score a point at a bad time!

 

[Easy 10]

Well I always liked London Irish.
I didn't agree with most of his guff, but it was at least well considered and articulate guff. A valuable member of the board IMHO. I want him BACK.

Where is he ?

 

[Yorkie]

I think he's on his hols at the moment

 

[Easy 10]

Ahh, LI on his holibobs.

He's probably in the Peruvian foothills right now, educating some trappist monks as to the merits of playing Oatway in a holding role. Bless him.

 

[London Irish]

I think he's on his hols at the moment

Sort of, spent a few days visiting friends in northern France

I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with Shingle bouncing that quote, or even to be called a second-rate George Galloway , anything higher than fifth-rate I regard as a result

The first newspaper I bought today after arriving back from France splashed on the wave of attacks on mosques that are taking place across Britain and the climate of fear that has now descended on Britain's Islamic community.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article298805.ece

What we are seeing and what we will see in the coming days is the racists coming out of the closet and attempting to smear every Asian immigrant with complicity in this attack - and part of this giant racist smear will be exaggerated accounts of how far fundamentalism has penetrated into Britain's Asian communities - just as many Irish families living in this country were smeared 20 or 30 years ago by their supposed links to Republicanism.

It is of course self-defeating on so many levels.

The attacks on mosques and the smearing of British Asians will do - what? Yes, drive them further towards that tiny, tiny minority of fanatics and bomb-makers.

And who were the victims of the London bombings? We now know enough to see that many of them were either first or second-generation immigrants themselves - not surprising, given that London is a city that only functions thanks to immigrant hard work.

So we will now have to watch the nauseating hypocrisy of these victims' blood being used by racists to deny other similar immigrants the opportunity to come and work and build their lives in our capital city!

You have to make a stand against this kind of thing and Shingle is perfectly welcome to bounce as many as my posts on this subject as possible - as it underlines my stand.

What I'd be interested in hearing from him is his strategy of isolating the fundamentalist bombers from the communities they hide in. Or whether he thinks there should be restrictions now on immigration (which is, of course, making innocent people guilty for the actions of criminals). That for me would fall under the category of mmm...interesting

 

[NMH]

I would agree with most of that LI, and put well.
It's always extremely easy, and to many people desirable, to tar a whole religion or race with the same brush. Somewhere in the cro-mag mind of the apeman must lurk an essential need to vilify other creeds.
I suspect we have all been guilty of the desire to club all muslims together as culpable for recent aggressions.

"What we need is a great big melting pot"sang Blue Mink, and worthy as the sentiment is, it takes a lot of work to get to that. With absorbtion and integration comes the odd secular spanners in the works. For this very reason, our 'leaders' are more responsible than ever for the task of NOT blindly creating enemies or taking racial sides, and if they do have to take actions then explain the whys and wherefores and clarify the reason for their target so that everyone knows it.
I'm getting repetitive in my criticism of Mr Bush and his cronies, but by blurting out the word "crusade" so lightly when enacting a war toward Iraq, he set many good men against many good men while he sat back to watch the seeds he had sewn so glibly.

So, who is the enemy?

 

[bhaexpress]

I like London Irish as whether I agree with him or not his posts are always well argued and elloquent.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

What we are seeing and what we will see in the coming days is the racists coming out of the closet and attempting to smear every Asian immigrant with complicity in this attack - and part of this giant racist smear will be exaggerated accounts of how far fundamentalism has penetrated into Britain's Asian communities - just as many Irish families living in this country were smeared 20 or 30 years ago by their supposed links to Republicanism.

This is what you would think would happen - but it hasn't so far has it ? I think the response has been measured from all quarters with massive attempts to treat these murderers as what they are - and not as representatives of their faith. I am sure there are examples of what you say - but to a limited degree.

It is noticable how they are not being called "Islamic" terrorists as well. There was an interesting piece in the paper saying they should not echoing an earlier period where other murderers were not called "Catholic" terrorists.

 

[shingle]

I think we all know he's a poor mans George Galloway, but that looks like a lot of effort to go to just to score a point at a bad time!

It was no effort smudge, I just came across it by chance the other day.

 

[Curious Orange]

Have to disagree with DKM slightly in that the least helpful thing about the otherwise very balanced media coverage is the amount of times that the phrase "Islamic terrorists" HAS been used. It is completely unhelpful in the same way that repeatedly calling the efforts to stop such criminal activities "the War on Terror" is. We are not at war, and we certainly are not at war with Islam. What we do have a problem with is with some criminals who want to blow people up.

 

[shingle]

I like London Irish as whether I agree with him or not his posts are always well argued and elloquent.

I agree BHA

I find his posts entertaining and eloquent, but all too often he's up in his pulpit calling everyone racists or fascists

 

[Norman Baker suck my lozenge]

Sort of, spent a few days visiting friends in northern France

I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with Shingle bouncing that quote, or even to be called a second-rate George Galloway , anything higher than fifth-rate I regard as a result

The first newspaper I bought today after arriving back from France splashed on the wave of attacks on mosques that are taking place across Britain and the climate of fear that has now descended on Britain's Islamic community.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article298805.ece

What we are seeing and what we will see in the coming days is the racists coming out of the closet and attempting to smear every Asian immigrant with complicity in this attack - and part of this giant racist smear will be exaggerated accounts of how far fundamentalism has penetrated into Britain's Asian communities - just as many Irish families living in this country were smeared 20 or 30 years ago by their supposed links to Republicanism.

It is of course self-defeating on so many levels.

The attacks on mosques and the smearing of British Asians will do - what? Yes, drive them further towards that tiny, tiny minority of fanatics and bomb-makers.

And who were the victims of the London bombings? We now know enough to see that many of them were either first or second-generation immigrants themselves - not surprising, given that London is a city that only functions thanks to immigrant hard work.

So we will now have to watch the nauseating hypocrisy of these victims' blood being used by racists to deny other similar immigrants the opportunity to come and work and build their lives in our capital city!

You have to make a stand against this kind of thing and Shingle is perfectly welcome to bounce as many as my posts on this subject as possible - as it underlines my stand.

What I'd be interested in hearing from him is his strategy of isolating the fundamentalist bombers from the communities they hide in. Or whether he thinks there should be restrictions now on immigration (which is, of course, making innocent people guilty for the actions of criminals). That for me would fall under the category of mmm...interesting

That's all very well,but what about Oatway in the holding role ?

 

[Meade's Ball]

I was watching the telly yesterday and was amazed at how many wars we're fighting at the moment. Last night it was the war with truancy. It's an exhausting time for all of us with so many enemies to battle.

 

[larus]

The problem with LI is that if you don't agree with him, he can get personnal in his respones which is often uncalled for.

As we are all aware, he has very left-wing views. I have a different view on how an economy should be run (i.e. free markets rather than state controlled industries), but in some of his reponses he said that people like me were selfish, greedy, uncaring (or words like that).

This type of reply is liely to cause animosity towards him. I accept that he is obviously intelligent and has stong views, but he can't seem to understand that other poster may also be intelligent and have their own views, which (god forbid), may be different to his.

 

[Meade's Ball]

I can't say that i disagree with LI about free market economics being about greed for the haves. Capitalism is evolution. Survival of the fittest. The richer you are, the more likely your genetic line will continue. I don't know how anti-interventionism can lead to social benevolence.
It's quite possible that i am not intelligent enough to see it though.

 

[captainmorganrum]

This is what you would think would happen - but it hasn't so far has it ?

Hasn't it?

BNP Thread

 

[aftershavedave]

i've got no problems with LI's views at all, it's his smugness that gets me. that and his know-it-all attitude. probably a nice bloke though.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

The problem with LI is that if you don't agree with him, he can get personnal in his respones which is often uncalled for.

As we are all aware, he has very left-wing views. I have a different view on how an economy should be run (i.e. free markets rather than state controlled industries), but in some of his reponses he said that people like me were selfish, greedy, uncaring (or words like that).

This type of reply is liely to cause animosity towards him. I accept that he is obviously intelligent and has stong views, but he can't seem to understand that other poster may also be intelligent and have their own views, which (god forbid), may be different to his.

I think the problem is he responds in kind. Certain posters just make personal attacks on him and then when he responds "run around" claiming persecution. I'm sure you're not one of those, but if you look at what he has to put up with then some of his responses are more understandable.