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[Albion] Olympique de Marseille vs Brighton & Hove Albion *** Official Match Thread ***



Seagull58

In the Algarve
Jan 31, 2012
7,208
Vilamoura, Portugal
I agree. Marseille played well in the first half, everything worked for them going forward, and were in not for a Dunk brain fart and Welbs fuckup we could have (slightly undeservedly) gone in 1-1. They did deserve a lead, but maybe a 1 goal lead would have been more reflective of the game.

We then did brilliantly to come back from 2 down in our first ever European tour match, against a decent side. I feel pretty good (although I am in absolute shock that some people here still have no idea what the offside rule is).
My understanding is that Fati would not have been offside because he was behind the ball IF Welbs had passed it. Am I right or am I wrong?
 






Si Gull

Way Down South
Mar 18, 2008
4,366
On top of the world
My understanding is that Fati would not have been offside because he was behind the ball IF Welbs had passed it. Am I right or am I wrong?
You're right. I think that some of us, including me when watching live, thought he was in front of the ball. I still back Welbz, though. He's a striker, through on goal, stretching, I think most players in that position would have taken the shot....the fact the keeper saved it is another matter. Reminded me a bit of 'And Smith must score', keeper's legs keeping it out😄
 


Greg Bobkin

Silver Seagull
May 22, 2012
14,817
Well glad we drew but have to think we need more going forward, if we hadn’t of got that pen we’d of lost.
But we DID get a penalty... because it was a penalty :lolol:

That's a bit like saying it would only 'of' been 1-0 if Dunk hadn't been unceremoniously nutmegged!
 


















Biffer

Active member
Jul 13, 2003
666
Did anyone else see that guy fronting up Scott Welch ? Beef about a flag on the fence.
Brave guy. I wouldn’t fancy his chances if Scott unleashed his anger in a physical way.
 




AstroSloth

Well-known member
Dec 29, 2020
974
Rubbish, read the rules. It was the same phase of play , an onside player passing to an offside player who scores is still offside. Why do you think there was the controversy with the Villa goal on Sunday when the ball was played with a player offside. The goal stood because he not only didn't touch the ball but was deemed not to be interfering with play
Maybe you should actually read the rules.

A player is not offside if they are behind the ball.
 




hans kraay fan club

The voice of reason.
Helpful Moderator
Mar 16, 2005
61,245
Chandlers Ford
Nope, that's not correct - offside offences are only given in reference to the relative position of opposition players, not own team players: https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-11---offside

Also, LAWS...
Erm... he was right. I'm not sure if you actually read the link you posted?

If you are behind the ball when the ball is played, you can not be offside, irrespective of the position of any other players.

A player is in an offside position if:
  • any part of the head, body or feet is in the opponents’ half (excluding the halfway line) and
  • any part of the head, body or feet is nearer to the opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent
 




Triggaaar

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2005
50,110
Goldstone
My understanding is that Fati would not have been offside because he was behind the ball IF Welbs had passed it. Am I right or am I wrong?

That's (no offence) obviously correct. The (incorrect) suggestion was that Fati was offside when the previous ball was played to Welbs, and as it was the same phase, he'd then be offside had Welbs have passed it to him. It's only whether or not you're in an offside position when the last player on your side to touch it, passes it to you.
 










Colonel Mustard

Well-known member
Jun 18, 2023
1,998
I doubt it. Think Welbeck saw that and went for it.
I realise I’m probably totally wrong because these are pro footballers and I’m not. But as a spectator I’m always thinking it looks much easier to quickly sidestep and fire it into an open net, albeit from a tighter angle, rather than just whack it at the goalie and hope it wrong-foots him, or sneaks under him, or gets a lucky deflection. Or if further out, try dinking it over him.

Now reread my first sentence.
 


sully

Dunscouting
Jul 7, 2003
7,830
Worthing
I realise I’m probably totally wrong because these are pro footballers and I’m not. But as a spectator I’m always thinking it looks much easier to quickly sidestep and fire it into an open net, albeit from a tighter angle, rather than just whack it at the goalie and hope it wrong-foots him, or sneaks under him, or gets a lucky deflection. Or if further out, try dinking it over him.

Now reread my first sentence.
Indeed. I thought at the time it was in need of an Undav chip.
 


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