Offside

[Barry Izbak]

These days they keep stats on everything and I would like to know if any team in this division has been caught offside more often than we have.
I cannot remember seeing an Albion team caught offside so often in 40 years of watching them. Sure the lino gets it wrong often, but they get it right and our front men get it wrong more often.

Do you think that our coaching team work on this at the training ground? Is there any evidence to back this up?

If we could reduce the number of offsides, I reckon we could win a few extra points which could make the difference between playoffs and not.

 

['sladegull]

agreed , the number of times we get caught is not good. Both Murray and Fozzie run it very tight and the Lino today was apalling....which made it very frustrating. Also , it didn't help Murrays confidence today which seemed low enough from the start. Definately something they need to work on ....

 

[Scotty Mac]

it would be easy to blame it on a linesman if it was a one off, but it happens every bloody week

 

[Beach Hut]

Despite the howls of derison from the South Stand the lino was correct every time in the 2nd half.

Some people need to learn the off side rules.

 

[Questions]

Its not so much Forster its mostly Glen Murray. Wilkins needs to work with him on it because at times its like watching a schoolboy who has not had the offside rule explained to him.

 

[dougdeep]

Despite the howls of derison from the South Stand the lino was correct every time in the 2nd half.

Oh no he wasn't.

 

[Yorkie]

Oh no he wasn't.

I agree. One offside was flagged up for Forster being offside when he wasn't interfering with play. The ball had been passed to Murray who was quite a distance away from Forster.
It would help if the assistant referees could do a revision course on the offside rules.

 

[BensGrandad]

I agree. One offside was flagged up for Forster being offside when he wasn't interfering with play. The ball had been passed to Murray who was quite a distance away from Forster.
It would help if the assistant referees could do a revision course on the offside rules.

Just now on Sunday Supplement one of the journo s read an extract from the rules on offside and one of the conditions to warrant an offence is if a player Obstruct a defenders line of vision by being in an offside position he is offside. Now you can use that ad lib to cover most situations ie I could see him out of the corner of my eye so he is offside.

I dont know how to do it but I am sure that somebody could copy the actual rule on here.

 

[MOG]

Law 11 - Offside.


Offside Position
It is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position.
A player is in an offside position if:
• he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second last opponent
A player is not in an offside position if:
• he is in his own half of the fi eld of play or
• he is level with the second last opponent or
• he is level with the last two opponents

Offence
A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by:
• interfering with play or
• interfering with an opponent or
• gaining an advantage by being in that position

No Offence
There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:
• a goal kick or
• a throw-in or
• a corner kick

Infringements/Sanctions
For any offside offence, the referee awards an indirect free kick to the opposing team to be taken from the place where the infringement occurred.

Decisions of the International F.A. Board

Decision 1
In the definition of offside position, “nearer to his opponents’ goal line” means that any part of his head, body or feet is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second last opponent.
The arms are not included in this definition.

Decision 2
The definitions of elements of involvement in active play are as follows:
• Interfering with play means playing or touching the ball passed or touched by a team-mate.
• Interfering with an opponent means preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or movements or making a gesture or movement which, in the opinion of the referee, deceives or distracts an opponent.
• Gaining an advantage by being in that position means playing a ball that rebounds to him off a post or the crossbar having been in an offside position or playing a ball that rebounds to him off an opponent having been in an offside position.



An interactive guide to the Offside Law, courtesy of FIFA.

http://www.fifa.com/flash/lotg/football/en/flash/start.html

 

[Giraffe]

Murray was particularly to blame. Seemed to switch off on a number of occasions yesterday. On many he was even looking down the line and still got it wrong, very poor.

 

[Beach Hut]

What annoys me is quite a lot of these off-sides are from goal kicks or long kicks from the back which is very poor.

 

[Robdinho]

Decision 1
In the definition of offside position, “nearer to his opponents’ goal line” means that any part of his head, body or feet is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second last opponent.
The arms are not included in this definition.

It always pisses me off when the commentators start going on about there needing to be 'daylight between the offside player and the last defender'. It's not the rule and it never has been, but they seem to think if they say it often enough then it'll be true. Referees have a difficult enough time without commentators telling everyone they made a mistake when they haven't!

 

[chez]

On the whole I don't think Lino's do a bad job. It's not that easy at times as anyone who has done it (sunday league) will tell you - you really need 2 sets of eyes. I must say this though, since the change in rules regarding offside there seems to be a lot of inconsistancy. There was an example of this yesterday when Coxy put a through ball to Murray I think, who was offside. The ball, however was so bad that it was miles away from Murray and closer to Westlake I think who came from an onside position (by about 20 yards) but because Murray was offside the Lino flagged and the ref blew.

 

[Yorkie]

What annoys me is quite a lot of these off-sides are from goal kicks or long kicks from the back which is very poor.

You can't be offside from a goal kick (see above)

 

[Beach Hut]

You can't be offside from a goal kick (see above)

OK then but long kicks from defence which are rarely going anywhere so to be caught offside from them is poor.

 

[BensGrandad]

Law 11 - Offside.



Decision 2
.
• Interfering with an opponent means preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or movements or making a gesture or movement which, in the opinion of the referee, deceives or distracts an opponent.
•

An interactive guide to the Offside Law, courtesy of FIFA.

http://www.fifa.com/flash/lotg/football/en/flash/start.html

How can any ref determine that aplayer is 'in the line of vision' of another player.

 

[ben andrews' girlfriend]

How can any ref determine that aplayer is 'in the line of vision' of another player.

That's where the problem currently is with the offside rule.

Why doesn't it go back to the old way - either you're offside, or you aren't? I don't think anyone currently understands the interpretation of the rule at the moment.

 

[The Large One]

Each offside that was given was when the ball reached, or was tracked down by the attacking player.

Murray seemed to be the worst culprit - perhaps he has little confidence in his own pace, I don't know. However, once our forwards got into the habit of being offside a few times in the first half, the lino in the second half took it upon himself to raise his flag for a laugh.

Of the offside decisions against us in the second half, most were correct (and that IS irritating when your player is looking along the line), one or two were borderline, and two were laughable.

As my mate pointed out, it's possibly Forster's nose that's offside, in which case that's a good yard offside.

 

[Left Footer]

To me Forster was offside far more regularly than Murray.
However it has only been noticeable fairly recently,can`t remember there being too many offsides in the first half of the season.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Today's Observer has Keith Hackett explaining the off-side law and the definitions of being active and gaining an advantage.