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Greg Bobkin
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- May 22, 2012
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With my nightmare Mince Pie Run? I decided to take on a gel just before the bottom of the Chichester Drive East/Wicklands Avenue for a bit of extra energy for the rest of the race. It was the first time I'd taken one (I know, I know) and it had the opposite effect and I REALLY struggled from almost the moment I had it. I just remember not being able to run for big chunks of the remainder, and seeing all these people come steaming past me through the fields. Horrible experience (and it was a long time ago), and I certainly learned my lesson.
lost in london
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Runners, can I get your advice?
A few weeks ago, and a week before running a 10k event that was mostly on trails I decided to dust off an old pair of Salomon trail type shoes for an hour's run on the north downs (I knew it was stupid as I was putting them on but annoyingly didn't change my mind). By the end of the run my right hip was aching and just under my left knee was slowly seizing up. Went back to my usual trainers for the 10k and felt the same pains, and they flared up again on an easy half hour jog yesterday morning.
I've only been running for four months or so after a few years out, but the pains I'm getting now are the same as I had about 6/7 years ago before I had a proper assessment and some insoles built.
Do I rest, do I get some new trainers from a proper running shop (I'm running in an old pair of Mizuno Wave Rider 11s but I've been too scared of changing them as they've been good to me, they've also not got many miles in them despite their age), do I splash out whatever it costs to go and see a physio?
The annoying thing is that my four months' running up to dusting off the Salomon shoes had been pain free and I was really getting into it. One stupid decision seems, on the basis of my most recent three runs, to have put me back to the bad old days before I had the insoles built and bought the Mizunos.
A few weeks ago, and a week before running a 10k event that was mostly on trails I decided to dust off an old pair of Salomon trail type shoes for an hour's run on the north downs (I knew it was stupid as I was putting them on but annoyingly didn't change my mind). By the end of the run my right hip was aching and just under my left knee was slowly seizing up. Went back to my usual trainers for the 10k and felt the same pains, and they flared up again on an easy half hour jog yesterday morning.
I've only been running for four months or so after a few years out, but the pains I'm getting now are the same as I had about 6/7 years ago before I had a proper assessment and some insoles built.
Do I rest, do I get some new trainers from a proper running shop (I'm running in an old pair of Mizuno Wave Rider 11s but I've been too scared of changing them as they've been good to me, they've also not got many miles in them despite their age), do I splash out whatever it costs to go and see a physio?
The annoying thing is that my four months' running up to dusting off the Salomon shoes had been pain free and I was really getting into it. One stupid decision seems, on the basis of my most recent three runs, to have put me back to the bad old days before I had the insoles built and bought the Mizunos.
Physio probably first for me - sounds like ITB inflammation but better to get it properly diagnosed. Quite easy to treat and then prevent through use of a foam roller (have a look on the Web for ITBS symptoms and treatment). Re shoes, get to a shop that does gait analysis before you buy, and take your old shoes with you so they can see the wear. If you want to go a step further you can get a full analysis plus custom insoles done at somewhere like Profeet in Fulham
lost in london
Well-known member
Thanks Dazzer - God you're good - ITBS issues were what I used to have, and it was pro feet in Fulham who made my insoles!
Given I know what I've (probably) got I might skip physio for now and get a roller and consider getting some upgraded shoes of the same type as my current ones.
Given I know what I've (probably) got I might skip physio for now and get a roller and consider getting some upgraded shoes of the same type as my current ones.
I had calf problems not so long ago. [MENTION=15605]knocky1[/MENTION] 's sports injury guy diagnosed it and gave me stretches, I switched shoes to Mizuno Wave Rider with insoles (good choice 
) and have just got a foam roller for it. Stretches cleared it up, roller and shoes seem to be preventing it coming back. The important step for me though was seeing the physio to get the diagnosis and stretches in the first place.
) and have just got a foam roller for it. Stretches cleared it up, roller and shoes seem to be preventing it coming back. The important step for me though was seeing the physio to get the diagnosis and stretches in the first place.lost in london
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First things you see on Google when you type in ITBS roller is why they may not work and why learning proper stretches are the way to sorting it out - maybe I do need a physio after all. Coming from cycling I've been looking for ways to spend money on a hobby, seems I may have found the answer.
I had it 4 years back during a marathon training plan. Jesus got it in a session and gave me the seated pigeon stretch. It is easy to do my left side but the right is a really painful stretch and I have to stretch it all the time or it seizes up. By doing this it has never again stopped me running.
I would look for someone to check it over and go through the stretches or you may make it worse, especially if there is inflammation.
lost in london
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Thanks, how much do people normally pay for this sort of session with a physio?
Funny that. Jesus is what I usually start saying when my physio starts on the ITB.....followed by 'f****ng Christ'...........
£40 for a sport's Injury specialist, job done in 40 minutes usually.
£40+ for a physio and a session of repeat visits. In my experience.
Need to get some one from word of mouth. Many down here.
Visits required Depends on the injury and the executionist. Jesus takes pride in trying to sort it in one.
Sheebo
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- Jul 13, 2003
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I'll ask around mate but have a lot of runs booked already soz
Greg Bobkin
Silver Seagull
- May 22, 2012
- 15,101
Had to drag myself out this morning, but headed for the hills, and all was good.
https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/979158160
I was reminded the other day about training plans for the London/Brighton marathon – I guess I should look into them fairly soon...
https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/979158160
I was reminded the other day about training plans for the London/Brighton marathon – I guess I should look into them fairly soon...
Well, I'm back on it.
I've had a very busy and stressful period at work. I've been tied to my laptop and, I'll be honest, not in a very good place mentally. Getting out for runs would have probably been absolutely the best thing I could have done in many regards, but I didn't. I could never find the time. Or didn't think I could fine the time.
Eight weeks of no exercise and some pretty poor dietary and drinking habits. I'm not sure how much of the good work I'd achieved this year I've undone, but clothes are letting me know it's a fair bit.
So, on Monday I went out for my first run since October 11th. I did the first mile in 8 minutes, which is slightly slower than I previously would, and then I just got slower and slower and slower. I made it round my old 5 mile loop but it was a struggle. Three days later my legs are still aching more than they ever did when I ran my old 13-15 mile runs.
I've posted many times on this thread how amazingly fast the human body improves efficiency and performance. I saw that myself this year. I've now learned the reverse: it's amazing how quickly the body regresses if allowed to do so.
Looking at the positives: I guess I've probably not lost everything I achieved, and I didn't leave it until January to start again, which would have been very easy to do.
I've had a very busy and stressful period at work. I've been tied to my laptop and, I'll be honest, not in a very good place mentally. Getting out for runs would have probably been absolutely the best thing I could have done in many regards, but I didn't. I could never find the time. Or didn't think I could fine the time.
Eight weeks of no exercise and some pretty poor dietary and drinking habits. I'm not sure how much of the good work I'd achieved this year I've undone, but clothes are letting me know it's a fair bit.
So, on Monday I went out for my first run since October 11th. I did the first mile in 8 minutes, which is slightly slower than I previously would, and then I just got slower and slower and slower. I made it round my old 5 mile loop but it was a struggle. Three days later my legs are still aching more than they ever did when I ran my old 13-15 mile runs.
I've posted many times on this thread how amazingly fast the human body improves efficiency and performance. I saw that myself this year. I've now learned the reverse: it's amazing how quickly the body regresses if allowed to do so.
Looking at the positives: I guess I've probably not lost everything I achieved, and I didn't leave it until January to start again, which would have been very easy to do.
I have an 18 week plan for Brighton. Starts on Monday. Up to 30 miles this week. Starts off with a lot of plodding and is making me feel good.
[MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION] good move getting out before Christmas. 8" mile is a fast opening mile in my opinion and would certainly not help the aches and pains. Still they are always there after a lay off and cannot be prevented.
@GuinessBoy and [MENTION=27279]dazzer6666[/MENTION] have coaches telling them to run slower.
@GuinessBoy and [MENTION=27279]dazzer6666[/MENTION] have coaches telling them to run slower.
Well done for getting back out - hardest bit done. Slow down and enjoy it - no need to introduce any stress into your running by worrying about times for a few weeks, the conditioning will very soon come back.
Good to see you running again & welcome back to the thread.