[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[TomandJerry]

I can answer that and within my definition no.

I'm curious, because I had Japan down a civil country, what are your reasons?

 

[clapham_gull]

I'm curious, because I had Japan down a civil country, what are your reasons?

It has the death penalty.

Are you OK?

You are a fascinating contributor to NSC. Someone who has spent years cut and pasting news stories with no citation.

Over the last few weeks you have reminded me of that bizarre ex Waitrose employee on twitter benonwine ( or as I like to call him BenOnTheDole) who spends his entire online life asking questions from a far right perspective.

So a couple of questions from me for a change.

1) What influenced this change in style ?

2) Can you recommend a good chablis in the £10 -£20 price range ?

 

[TomandJerry]

If we ever had an eye for an eye, the whole world would end up blind.

If everyone was civil towards eachother then there would be no need for any of it

 

[clapham_gull]

If everyone was civil towards eachother then there would be no need for any of it

That doesn't make any sense.

 

[TomandJerry]

That doesn't make any sense.

If no one was murdered, there would be no need for it

 

[clapham_gull]

If no one was murdered, there would be no need for it

Your point being ?

Still waiting on the chablis

 

[Thunder Bolt]

If everyone was civil towards eachother then there would be no need for any of it

Good luck with that one.

 

[TomandJerry]

It has the death penalty.

Are you OK?

You are a fascinating contributor to NSC. Someone who has spent years cut and pasting news stories with no citation.

Over the last few weeks you have reminded me of that bizarre ex Waitrose employee on twitter benonwine ( or as I like to call him BenOnTheDole) who spends his entire online life asking questions from a far right perspective.

So a couple of questions from me for a change.

1) What influenced this change in style ?

2) Can you recommend a good chablis in the £10 -£20 price range ?

Probably best answered in the PM's

https://www.waitrosecellar.com/prod...IhI_Gi6OGrlnPhFEW2EaAgAbEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

[TomandJerry]

Good luck with that one.

I suppose all we can do is hope that one day we all realise that violence isn't the answer, which given the world's circumstances at the moment seems like a pipe dream.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

It wouldn't be appropriate to prejudge a trial before a verdict has been returned by a jury through a fair trial

If we leave the ECHR, we wouldn’t have a right to a fair trial.

Instead of asking question, look up what your human rights are from 1951, and ask yourself which of those you would be prepared to give up.

 

[clapham_gull]

Probably best answered in the PM's

https://www.waitrosecellar.com/prod...IhI_Gi6OGrlnPhFEW2EaAgAbEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

You ain't wrong

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I suppose all we can do is hope that one day we all realise that violence isn't the answer, which given the world's circumstances at the moment seems like a pipe dream.

Human nature is the problem. Greed, anger, jealousy etc

 

[TomandJerry]

You ain't wrong

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Never had an issue with it

 

[BadFish]

Then the prosecution should not be chasing a death penalty sentence, instead a whole life order.

Because clearly, as the case above shows that particular person won't ever be let out of isolation due to his original crimes and continuing crimes against prison officials, what's the arguement to keep him going?

Well the argument to keep him going is that introducing the death penalty is incredibly difficult to do without ignoring the huge mistakes made by the legal system.

The difficulty in making sure it is both appropriate and the judical system being absolutely sure they have the right person far out weighs the benefits.

Add into this the morality of taking a life in return for taking a life and you can only draw the conclusion that on balance it is a poor idea.

Unless you can add some benefits to that side of the ledger?

 

[TomandJerry]

If we leave the ECHR, we wouldn’t have a right to a fair trial.

Instead of asking question, look up what your human rights are from 1951, and ask yourself which of those you would be prepared to give up.

Again, I wouldn't vote to leave the ECHR unless it was copied word for word into a British bill of human rights, so the answer would be none

 

[dsr-burnley]

At risk of derailing the last 4 pages of the argument, the ECHR isn't the reason why the death penalty was abolished. The death penalty was suspended in 1965 and later formally abolished without being reintroduced, and it was done by Act of Parliament.

There seems to be a belief that all our human rights are given by the ECHR and without them we would have nothing. We would be back to 1214 where the King has absolute power. This is not the case - certain of our human rights, eg. habeas corpus, are not even now part of the ECHR. France, for example, can keep crime suspects banged up without charge for years.

The UK for centuries has developed a human rights code that works. Even without the ECHR, it would work again.

 

[BadFish]

I suppose all we can do is hope that one day we all realise that violence isn't the answer, which given the world's circumstances at the moment seems like a pipe dream.

If violence isn't the answer, then how can the death penalty be the answer?

 

[BadFish]

Again, I wouldn't vote to leave the ECHR unless it was copied word for word into a British bill of human rights, so the answer would be none

What is the point of this?

You trust a British government to oversee it more than a joint council of European countries?

 

[TomandJerry]

If violence isn't the answer, then how can the death penalty be the answer?

Because there is currently violence, so there would be no need for it if the violence flat lined

 

[TomandJerry]

What is the point of this?

You trust a British government to oversee it more than a joint council of European countries?

My point is that I wouldn't vote for less human rights, I find it impossible to believe Farage would keep it word for word and we would end up losing human rights, so wouldn't vote to leave the ECHR