[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[jcdenton08]

So I guess you repeating his quotes is just lucky coincidence

Yeah, could be we agree on the issue that mass immigration is unsustainable, in which case we would naturally use similar language to state our view. Or similar language to the PM.

 

[jcdenton08]

So the fact you’ve pretty much posted his thoughts verbatim is a coincidence?

I’ll extend my last post. If everyone is having empathy with the sorts of people who were burning down hotels last summer, who is there left to have empathy with people who’ve just escaped a war zone or a famine or have mental health problems because they’re struggling with their own identity?

Where did I express empathy for criminals?

You tying together a few hundred scumbags intent on causing trouble with millions of voters who think there is an issue, but have no intention of doing something beastly, is on brand.

See, this is what it always comes down. Anti mass-immigration = racism.

Conversations get shut down, accusations start, and people retreat into their shells and silently vote for the option which appeals to them regardless.

I’d never vote for Farage. I think his party (limited company, whatever) are chancers. Yet I want to end mass immigration, so likely would agree with him on the overarching issue. It’s really not that hard to understand.

 

[jcdenton08]

I certainly do know how some people in Rotherham & other areas of South & West Yorkshire feel.
There isn’t the north south divide there used to be. Many on here have also lived elsewhere in the country.

Yes. Like me, who lived in a deprived West Yorkshire former mining town for nearly a decade in my 20’s.

 

[TomandJerry]

Reform gaining ground support

 

[Guinness Boy]

Where did I express empathy for criminals?

You tying together a few hundred scumbags intent on causing trouble with millions of voters who think there is an issue, but have no intention of doing something beastly, is on brand.

See, this is what it always comes down. Anti mass-immigration = racism.

Conversations get shut down, accusations start, and people retreat into their shells and silently vote for the option which appeals to them regardless.

I’d never vote for Farage. I think his party (limited company, whatever) are chancers. Yet I want to end mass immigration, so likely would agree with him on the overarching issue. It’s really not that hard to understand.

Well you’re the one who asked for empathy with Rotherham, scene of the worst of the riots and contrasted it with Bristol, where immigrants were protected from violence by local people and Brighton where five or six racists were outnumbered by a large number of people who’d had enough of them.

 

[jcdenton08]

Well you’re the one who asked for empathy with Rotherham, scene of the worst of the riots and contrasted it with Bristol, where immigrants were protected from violence by local people and Brighton where five or six racists were outnumbered by a large number of people who’d had enough of them.

I asked the same handful of people to look outside of their bubble and realise that there are lots of good people who have very good reasons for feeling aggrieved, with immigration an issue in their towns. I don’t see how you can possibly in good faith equate this to “I support burning down hotels with immigrants inside”.

In good faith is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

See what you’ve done there is narrow down the conversation into base emotion, with absolutely no understanding of the nuance of what I’ve said, in order to attempt to politically score points and twist my words to make it sound like I am promoting violence on the streets.

The Tories, Reform and Labour all agree that out of control immigration is a Very Bad Thing. I’m not sure what your point is in any of this.

 

[Weststander]

I certainly do know how some people in Rotherham & other areas of South & West Yorkshire feel.
There isn’t the north south divide there used to be. Many on here have also lived elsewhere in the country.

Politically there are wide variances geographically, not necessarily on the traditional blue v red split. The 2016 Referendum and 2024 GE maps show this. Metropolitan areas particularly are Remain and anything but Reform, elsewhere in Midlands, North, Wales, Essex, Kent and rural Lincs/Cambs a lurch to the right / anti EU.

 

[TomandJerry]

1,183 people have arrived by boats (those who have been accounted for) since the 7th of May.

It's anyone's guess how many may have died along the way .

We need to get this sorted

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...he-english-channel-in-small-boats-last-7-days

 

[ManOfSussex]

I had a perfectly nice conversation with a Councillor and Leader of a District Council in Sussex on Saturday afternoon who I know and that knows more about national and local politics than most on here. They talk regularly with 2 MP's of 2 different parties that they have to deal with, as well as others from across the South and indeed the country involved in politics locally and nationally.

Do not dismiss the possibility of Farage and Reform actually taking power whenever the next general election actually is was the thinking, because it is a possibility as it stands according to them.

 

[BadFish]

And herein lies part of the problem.

The “educated classes” aren’t the people most affected by cuts like WFA, for instance, for them that was bonus money.

Liberal educated urbanites in places like Brighton, Bristol and York aren’t the ones feeling aggrieved because of mass immigration. People in Peterborough, Rotherham, Boston, Blackburn, Burnley feel very differently.

And each vote counts whether that person has a degree in political science and goes to Pro-Palestine rallies, or if they work 50 hours a week as a labourer with no overarching political philosophy. One person, one vote.

“A Conservative is a liberal who has been mugged” said Irving Kristol.

Perhaps us (largely) white, financially comfortable “educated” people should try employing the very empathy we are expecting of others when welcoming mass immigration.

Can you point to someone on here 'welcoming mass immigration?'

Personally I am trying to continue the discussion by trying to find out what the appropriate level of immigration is?

Its hard when people insist on speaking for others rather than sharing their own opinions.

I am also interested to know how many Reform MPs have been voted in to represent those places you mention?

My understanding was that Reform MPs are more likely to get voted in to represent those with lower immigration?

Happy to be corrected on that though.

 

[Hugo Rune]

1,183 people have arrived by boats (those who have been accounted for) since the 7th of May.

It's anyone's guess how many may have died along the way .

We need to get this sorted

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...he-english-channel-in-small-boats-last-7-days

Rejoin the EU. The French stopped them before for their partners, they'd do it again.

 

[TomandJerry]

Can you point to someone on here 'welcoming mass immigration?'

Personally I am trying to continue the discussion by trying to find out what the appropriate level of immigration is?

Its hard when people insist on speaking for others rather than sharing their own opinions.

I am also interested to know how many Reform MPs have been voted in to represent those places you mention?

My understanding was that Reform MPs are more likely to get voted in to represent those with lower immigration?

Happy to be corrected on that though.

We need to fill the gaps in the labour market

"The estimated number of vacancies in the UK fell by 26,000, or 3.2%, on the quarter, to 781,000 in January to March 2025"

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentan...s/bulletins/jobsandvacanciesintheuk/april2025

 

[Berty23]

Anyone see the clip of the Tory shadow Home Secretary saying Brexit stopped us being able to send back asylum seekers in the way we could before. This was pointed out many times before Brexit vote but Farage and friends said it was a lie. Weird

 

[ManOfSussex]

Anyone see the clip of the Tory shadow Home Secretary saying Brexit stopped us being able to send back asylum seekers in the way we could before. This was pointed out many times before Brexit vote but Farage and friends said it was a lie. Weird

The Dublin Convention?

 

[birthofanorange]

Reform gaining ground support

A pub. A 'Reform' pub. Winner all the way.

 

[Berty23]

The Dublin Convention?

Yep. Which we all knew about but Farage et al said irrelevance. They just get away with causing all this. I wish people who say “do your own research” did some research.

 

[Hugo Rune]

A pub. A 'Reform' pub. Winner all the way.

Presenter: 'Nigel's been there hasn't he'
Gammon: 'He's not been here just yet'

I suspect like the rest of us, Farridge would have to be paid to step foot in that cesspit. Here is a recent review:


Kane
1 review



2 days ago
New
£1–10
Brilliant atmosphere provided by the working class regulars, saw an ethic minority burst into tears after dropping his curry and the whole pub roared with laugher, any place that makes the right people upset gets my recommendation, 5 Stars

 

[BadFish]

We need to fill the gaps in the labour market

"The estimated number of vacancies in the UK fell by 26,000, or 3.2%, on the quarter, to 781,000 in January to March 2025"

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/jobsandvacanciesintheuk/april2025

My point is that people are advocating for a party who could quite possibly form government based on promises to sort out immigration.

Yes we don't actually have the details of what they they are going to do, taking into account the job market, age of working people or how they can improve services to accommodate those coming in.


All we have is guff about empathising with the situation people are in. And before everyone gets upset I am not saying people are not struggling!

But I do believe two things.

1. Immigration should not be the top factor to blame for this. (Probably not even top five).

2. Reform are not going to improve their situation.

Empathise I certainly do, but why this should lead to support for a cause and party that is being used as a distraction for the real causes of their ills, I do not understand.

The problem, we all agree is that people do not have enough money.

Where is all the money?

[Politics] - Gary's Economics

After reading his book The Trading Game I keep seeing this guy talking about wealth inequality and how precarious the working and middle classes are. I find the ideas are resonating with what I have been banging on about for years. I am interested in NSC's thoughts on this.

www.northstandchat.com

 

[Bodian]

1,183 people have arrived by boats (those who have been accounted for) since the 7th of May.

It's anyone's guess how many may have died along the way .

We need to get this sorted

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...he-english-channel-in-small-boats-last-7-days

What's your suggestions as to how?

 

[Weststander]

Can you point to someone on here 'welcoming mass immigration?'

Personally I am trying to continue the discussion by trying to find out what the appropriate level of immigration is?

Its hard when people insist on speaking for others rather than sharing their own opinions.

I am also interested to know how many Reform MPs have been voted in to represent those places you mention?

My understanding was that Reform MPs are more likely to get voted in to represent those with lower immigration?

Happy to be corrected on that though.

There’ve definitely been a couple of nsc posters who in the recent past went by the theory that there should be no borders / any control on inwards migration. On the basis that inequalities of wealth between continents is immoral, allow anyone that wants to come to Europe to do so.