[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[rogersix]

When I picture the toxic hate squad that follows Tommy Robinson about......

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They've certainly had enough of DEI!

Don't worry, it'll be alwhite

 

[Cordwainer]

Would also imagine they’ll be plenty of Russian companies queuing up to build our village green nukes. Perhaps there could also be some tiny national security issues associated with these plans and the hackability of almost any computer systems in the world?

 

[rogersix]

I suppose you could argue that during the Brexit campaign the establishment wanted us to vote Remain.

But I suppose it depends what you define as the establishment - the government at the time? Cameron wanted us to remain

The establishment are the erg and the tax payers alliance, they wanted to leave so as to undermine workers rights

 

[nicko31]

Is Farage due another trip to the US, is been nearly a month?

 

[The Clamp]

Given the chance, i definately would have voted Reform UK...

……

 

[BadFish]

The establishment are the erg and the tax payers alliance, they wanted to leave so as to undermine workers rights

Wasn't there something about pesky EU regulations stopping people like Reece Mogg squirreling their money away to tax havens to avoid paying tax?

 

[rogersix]

Given the chance, i definately would have voted Reform UK...

Would you have an explanation as to why, or do you prefer to be enigmatic?

 

[nevergoagain]

True.

I mean, is there a discussion to be had? It’s pretty obvious that Reform voters are thick and/or racist.

Just look at the ones on here; Unable to answer any questions coherently and in some cases like Wallace, they don’t even understand the role that the Reform members have been voted in to perform.

I don’t blame them for not admitting to being as dumb as a bag of cabbage. They probably don’t even realise.

Wow. What a pathetic statement to make.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Oh that we could aspire to such greatness.

As it happens, only 4 of the 6 seats in Burnley went to Reform. The other two went to independents.

Congratulations.

And good luck

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Not proven in the application of generating domestic electricity at scale anywhere.

Renewables are proven worldwide, we don't have a decade to play with the climate disaster approaching.

Does someone at Reform have RR shares?

Farage is definitely being funded by fossil fuel companies. Fracking is a favourite.

 

[The Clamp]

Wow. What a pathetic statement to make.

Yet, hard to argue with

 

[nevergoagain]

Yet, hard to argue with

Not really, just pointless arguing with blinkered shouty people.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Not really, just pointless arguing with blinkered shouty people.

That I do agree with, which is why I tend to ignore people who like Nigel Farage and his many political parties.

Back on ignore.

 

[The Clamp]

Not really, just pointless arguing with blinkered shouty people.

Sure.

How predictable.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Even by Reform's thinking, this is a particular bonkers idea. Mrs G works with these kids, ones who have to be kept separate from the kids in the mainstream. How do you think parents of other kids are going to react when they're not separated and they're bundled in with the rest of the students? It will have a dreadful effect on the majority, as it will slow down lessons but it will have a worse effect on the special needs kids, as they won't have the dedicated help they need

It takes years to get an ADHD or autism diagnosis if the kid 'seems' relatively 'normal'.
Our 14 year old gets some provision from the school (time outs and suchlike).
This is off their own bat as we have yet to get a NHS diagnosis (after 4 years of waiting).
The sad fact is she will get patchy GCSEs at best, and is going to struggle to find a niche and decent income.
So Farage's mad plan won't make things worse for her,
unless the schools feel they no longer need to try to help kids with issues.
In which case our kid would be expelled for a 'meltdown' when forced to comply with the impossible,
'Home' schooled, and end up with no qualifications and on benefits.
Which Farage will presumably cut.

I'm not worried particularly because even if he got into power,
Farage would need to exert illegal coercive control over the NHS and current laws to get his way.
And government by prime ministerial decree is not yet part of our system.
He's all piss and wind.

 

[Berty23]

I suppose you could argue that during the Brexit campaign the establishment wanted us to vote Remain.

But I suppose it depends what you define as the establishment - the government at the time? Cameron wanted us to remain

Some of the establishment did - wasn’t it the majority of Tory MPs at the time? Some didn’t. Leave then took over Tory party for 8 years post Brexit to implement.

Are career bankers and politicians (even rinsed expenses) not the establishment?

 

[nevergoagain]

That I do agree with, which is why I tend to ignore people who like Nigel Farage and his many political parties.

Back on ignore.

Clearly haven't listened to anything I have said. But fair enough following good old Harry with the Ignore button.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

It takes years to get an ADHD or autism diagnosis if the kid 'seems' relatively 'normal'.
Our 14 year old gets some provision from the school (time outs and suchlike).
This is off their own bat as we have yet to get a NHS diagnosis (after 4 years of waiting).
The sad fact is she will get patchy GCSEs at best, and is going to struggle to find a niche and decent income.
So Farage's mad plan won't make things worse for her,
unless the schools feel they no longer need to try to help kids with issues.
In which case our kid would be expelled for a 'meltdown' when forced to comply with the impossible,
'Home' schooled, and end up with no qualifications and on benefits.
Which Farage will presumably cut.

I'm not worried particularly because even if he got into power,
Farage would need to exert illegal coercive control over the NHS and current laws to get his way.
And government by prime ministerial decree is not yet part of our system.
He's all piss and wind.

My granddaughter didn't get diagnosed until she was at university, which meant she was allowed extra time to complete her assignments.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I honestly don’t know. They’ve abandoned the centre, where the deciding votes have traditionally resided. Johnson largely purged the party’s centrist wing to ensure loyalty to him personally, and what’s left seem committed to chasing Reform further right.

It could be that Reform > Conservatives going forward, but people have written off the Conservatives before, and they’ve recovered. They do seem to have been corrupted by Reform’s emergence. What I haven’t seen yet from Reform is that they will actually work as MPs in their constituents interests. Farage has largely neglected his constituency, I will be interested to see if he retains the seat he has gained.

It’s a mistake to write off his voter base as purely racist, I think there are lots of people with genuine legitimate concerns about how the country is run, and a Labour/Conservative duopoly. I myself have caught myself thinking that there’s a cigarette paper’s difference between the two “main” parties.

However, I would vastly prefer closer links to the colossal trade bloc on our doorstep to importing chlorinated chicken from the US, it is axiomatic in trade that distance matters. You can always easily do more trade with your near neighbours, than countries at a distance from you. If there’s no change in Labour’s stance toward an EU customs union, my vote will drift to the Lib Dems.

Reform are not giving me anything economically coherent, and while I absolutely agree that immigration should be tightly controlled, I morally oppose this idea of blaming immigration for political choices that successive governments have made.

Good points. Well made.

I think that for a large number of people who have decided Labour and Tory have 'let me down',
they have yet to experience a genuine existential crisis or threat,
and are still making voter decisions based on social media and what their mates say.

Consider, what is the biggest threat to you as an individual today?
It seems for hundreds of thousands living in almost exclusively white regions, it is immigration.
And it seems that for tens of thousands of British Muslims it is, er, Israel.

So millions of white folk with a fear of foreigners are backing a party that will reduce their living standards,
abandon their kids if they become troubled, and limit their freedoms.

And tens of thousands of British Muslims, furious with Starmer for not invading (sorry, condemning) Israel,
are voting for independent Muslim candidates instead of Labour, splitting the vote,
and allowing Reform in by the back door.

(There are hundreds of thousands of others, mostly white, who have now abandoned Labour mainly because Labour have not changed everything in the last 9 months - rejoined the EU, 'stood up' to Trump, cut waiting lists, soaked the rich, etc.. As if not voting Labour will deliver a left/liberal panacea. What the actual f***.)

The trouble is these first two groups (which I picked as the two ends of spectrum) are too well off.
They are well off enough to risk all on a punt on the unknown,
just to salve petty grievances and prejudices.
And those in the middle are bored, tired and seemingly happy to sleep walk off a cliff.

This is the age of the entitled voter.
A person more mean spirited than myself might consider that a dose of Farage wouldn't be so bad for me,
and it would be amusing to see the ceiling come down on the heads of the fools of the electorate.

(I have particular contempt for lifelong Tories who have jumped ship to Reform,
because they are too lazy and selfish to engage with their own party and change it. Don't vote Tory, by all means. I struggled to vote for Corbyn. But don't vote for the fascists, FFS!).

 

[rogersix]

Clearly haven't listened to anything I have said. But fair enough following good old Harry with the Ignore button.

sre you a climate change denier?