[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[HillBarnTillIDie]

Do you think they will?

I don’t know. Nobody does.
But I do believe they have a significant reason / drive to be successful and will be scrutinised more then the usual suspects.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I believe it is because he thinks that working from home is detrimental to the quality of service the taxpayer is getting from civil servants.

Is he proposing action against companies that allow working from home? I thought it was just government employees and the like?

His work from home policy is because he’s Trump’s bitch and Trump is a commercial property magnate.

Simple as that.

 

[abc]

Freudian slip?

Btw there are more than three parties to vote for.

Unforgivable slip more like!

Yes there are. Which is why we need PR so every vote counts

 

[cunning fergus]

I believe it is because he thinks that working from home is detrimental to the quality of service the taxpayer is getting from civil servants.

Is he proposing action against companies that allow working from home? I thought it was just government employees and the like?

It’s undoubtedly a value for taxpayers money issue.

I doubt anyone would care if WFH practices delivered increased or even stable productivity levels however on balance overall it doesn’t.

Whilst the overall effect of the pandemic on the UK economy was negative, this was amplified by poor worker productivity. Studies may indicate workers were happier, but that does not automatically translate to positive productivity.

For the public sector productivity is still below pre pandemic levels whereas in the private sector productivity has regained and surpassed its 2019 data points.

The public-sector productivity problem

Strikes, pay rises and a productivity problem in the UK public sector.

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A significant component to this improvent in the private sector has been forcing employees back to their places of work, those in the public sector will need to suck it up.

On this issue, Reform are right to get public sector workers back to their places of work.

 

[BBassic]

I can only assume you're referring to the occasion (posted again on another thread) when they celebrated prematurely in their match against Burnley, regarding the last play-off spot.

Not to derail the thread but I just did some Wikipedia sleuthing and apart from a third placed finished in 16/17, that 7th placed finish in the 13/14 season was their highest finish in the last ten(ISH) years.

All of which means that a premature pitch invasion to momentarily celebrate sneaking into the playoffs was the 2nd best thing to happen to them in a decade.

This fills me with joy.

 

[BadFish]

I don’t know. Nobody does.
But I do believe they have a significant reason / drive to be successful and will be scrutinised more then the usual suspects.

I am happy to go on record and make the bold statement that they will not do a good job for the public they represent.

What is concerning is that even their supporters (and one assumes voters) do not appear to have much more faith than me.

The problem with this is such low expectations are fairly easy for them to meet. So like trump their supports will feel no compulsion to criticise them so long as they meet those low expectations.

As I see it this is very much an issue with UK right wing politics across the board. The only party that the right hold to account is Labour.

 

[abc]

Actually, I think you’ll find that it would be winning a general election that would do that.

Let’s look at the story so far, shall we?

Nigel Farage, had a job in Europe, didn’t go, but clung onto the money.

2024 is elected as an MP, hasn’t been regularly seen in his constituency, and has only turned up in the chamber sparingly, leaving his constituents largely unrepresented. Has hung on to all of the money.

He clearly isn’t working from home, given his distaste for the practice, so one can only assume that the British taxpayer is paying for him to rim Donald Trump, making him the first British human bidet.

You absolutely can fool people once, but when you then take the piss, which he absolutely is, they won’t vote for you again. You do actually have to do some work as an MP if you want to take and retain a seat. If his acolytes take the same carefree approach to representing their constituents, they’ll start losing their first seats at the same time as Reform start gaining their second set at the next GE.

Agree with everything you say but my point is that unless those being drawn to Reform believe there is a better alternative they won’t care.

Like with the Eu referendum, Trump, the rise of the right wing in France and Germany etc, there is huge momentum behind a demand for change and in the UK there are only two likely choices: Actual change by the government or the promise and hope of change by Reform. If the gov fail to deliver then hope will win out regardless of your logic and sense.

 

[TomandJerry]

I am happy to go on record and make the bold statement that they will not do a good job for the public they represent.

What is concerning is that even their supporters (and one assumes voters) do not appear to have much more faith than me.

The problem with this is such low expectations are fairly easy for them to meet. So like trump their supports will feel no compulsion to criticise them so long as they meet those low expectations.

As I see it this is very much an issue with UK right wing politics across the board. The only party that the right hold to account is Labour.

The Lib Dems/Greens do.

 

[TomandJerry]

Agree with everything you say but my point is that unless those being drawn to Reform believe there is a better alternative they won’t care.

Like with the Eu referendum, Trump, the rise of the right wing in France and Germany etc, there is huge momentum behind a demand for change and in the UK there are only two likely choices: Actual change by the government or the promise and hope of change by Reform. If the gov fail to deliver then hope will win out regardless of your logic and sense.

Romanians are voting in a presidential election rerun that could propel to power an ultranationalist who opposes military aid to Ukraine, has fiercely criticised the EU’s leadership and describes himself as a “natural ally” of Trump.

 

[BadFish]

The Lib Dems/Greens do.

Sorry I'm not sure i understand, the Lib Dems and Greens do what?

 

[TomandJerry]

Sorry I'm not sure i understand, the Lib Dems and Greens do what?

Hold Labour to account, constantly bashing economic growth without rejoining the EU

 

[BadFish]

Hold Labour to account, constantly bashing economic growth without rejoining the EU

yeah, I agree. I think a lot of Labour supporters also have high expectations for the Labour party.

My point was that Reform voters appear to have low expectations for Reform UK. So they won't hold them to account, so their support is kind of unconditional. Much like Trump and his supporters. and to a lesser extent, the recent Tory party.

 

[TomandJerry]

yeah, I agree. I think a lot of Labour supporters also have high expectations for the Labour party.

My point was that Reform voters appear to have low expectations for Reform UK. So they won't hold them to account, so their support is kind of unconditional. Much like Trump and his supporters. and to a lesser extent, the recent Tory party.

You'll find that if Reform win power and don't cut immigration they will be torn to shreds

 

[BN41Albion]

If Reform got the keys to number 10 they'd ensure schools 'teach children to love Britain again' as part of the curriculum.

I'd love to know what that would entail

 

[BadFish]

You'll find that if Reform win power and don't cut immigration they will be torn to shreds

I would say holding expectation to one policy constitutes low expectations.

I also don't share your prediction here. Many of those self same voters kept voting for the Tories as they broke the very same promise. I guess if reform do it then perhaps the penny will finally drop but I'll remain unconvinced of that.

Wasn't cutting immigration one of Nigel's Brexit promises? Then it went up, far from tearing him to shreds voters jumped on board with his next grift.

 

[Commander]

I think that 'you guys' meant Britain rather than the singular you (he's in Oz)

Oh. In which case I apologise for my outburst

 

[TomandJerry]

I would say holding expectation to one policy constitutes low expectations.

I also don't share your prediction here. Many of those self same voters kept voting for the Tories as they broke the very same promise. I guess if reform do it then perhaps the penny will finally drop but I'll remain unconvinced of that.

Wasn't cutting immigration one of Nigel's Brexit promises? Then it went up, far from tearing him to shreds voters jumped on board with his next grif.

Farage gets a pass with the voters on this because he wasn't the one in power.

The Tories were promising to cut immigration then it went up and up, hence the switch to voting for Reform

 

[Peteinblack]

If Reform got the keys to number 10 they'd ensure schools 'teach children to love Britain again' as part of the curriculum.

I'd love to know what that would entail

Hating foreigners and immigrants!

 

[Commander]

Agree with everything you say but my point is that unless those being drawn to Reform believe there is a better alternative they won’t care.

Like with the Eu referendum, Trump, the rise of the right wing in France and Germany etc, there is huge momentum behind a demand for change and in the UK there are only two likely choices: Actual change by the government or the promise and hope of change by Reform. If the gov fail to deliver then hope will win out regardless of your logic and sense.

Bang on. And all the ‘they are just ill-informed, uneducated racists’ stuff just plays absolutely in to their hands. We are making all the same mistakes that they did in the US, and liberal folk from Brighton in their tolerant and bohemian bubble just can’t see why anyone would vote for them.

 

[BadFish]

Bang on. And all the ‘they are just ill-informed, uneducated racists’ stuff just plays absolutely in to their hands. We are making all the same mistakes that they did in the US, and liberal folk from Brighton in their tolerant and bohemian bubble just can’t see why anyone would vote for them.

Many people have asked their supporters on here why they are voting for them.

So far, they have come up with nothing that I have seen.

Ultimately though, does it matter if we don't understand why anyone would vote for them if they are not engaging in discussion? Surely it makes little difference either way?