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[Politics] Next Conservative Leader - Rishi Sunak

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Who should be the next leader of the conservative party?

  • Boris

    Votes: 48 17.8%
  • Therese Coffey

    Votes: 3 1.1%
  • Rishi Sunak

    Votes: 107 39.8%
  • Penny Mourdant

    Votes: 31 11.5%
  • Ben Wallace

    Votes: 21 7.8%
  • Jeremy Hunt

    Votes: 4 1.5%
  • Mick Gove

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Suella Braverman

    Votes: 4 1.5%
  • Chris Grayling

    Votes: 11 4.1%
  • Matt Hancock

    Votes: 3 1.1%
  • Sir Graham Brady

    Votes: 6 2.2%
  • Jacob Rees-Mogg

    Votes: 18 6.7%
  • Dom Raab

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Nadine Dorries

    Votes: 11 4.1%
  • Pretty Patel

    Votes: 1 0.4%

  • Total voters
    269
  • Poll closed .


Audax

Boing boing boing...
Aug 3, 2015
2,294
Uckfield
I went along to the Newick Bonfire last weekend, and was talking with my mate whos part of the Society. Told him they missed a trick by not having a Johnson or Truss effigy...& his reply was that it wouldn't have gone down at all well in the village if it had been proposed. Hes staunch anti-Tory, but it doesn't sound like the rest of Newick is!
I used to drive through Newick regularly for my pre-pandemic commute. Prior to the Brexit vote, there was a near-permanent pro-UKIP / pro-Brexit billboard in place near the pub.
 

Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
Oct 8, 2003
40,566
Faversham
Chris Philp, a Home Office minister, has said it is “a bit of a cheek” for people who he said had “entered the UK illegally” to complain about conditions.
I wonder what he would think if he were arrested for drink driving and left in a cell with a homeless family without a phone or a chance for a wash till he got scabies. Would it be a bit of a cheek if he complained?

On the other hand, if illegal immigrants are not allowed to have human rights, why can't we simply kill them and boil them to make pills and soap?
 

Barnet Seagull

Luxury Player
Jul 14, 2003
5,791
Falmer, soon...
Whilst Brexit is the cause of a lot of shit right now, I am not too sure that in this instance it is having so much of an effect and blanket blaming takes away from the actual issues it has caused. As you can see, we are far from alone in this, in fact, we are less worse off than many countries still in the EU. I think Russia is without doubt a cause though and maybe the longer term knock on effects of Covid more than Brexit.

My view is different.

I believe this inflation is an adjustment to a new geopolitical and economic climate and in this case, it's arguably a one off event. Prices will rise and will stay at those levels, Inflation is simply not going to compound as it is not systemic inflation within the economy which means it will reduce on its own over time. The BOE have highlighted this themselves in their forecasts.
Using interest rates is a very crude and pretty ineffective method to reduce wage inflation and takes 18-24 months to really take effect. Doing this now, simply plunges the economy into a recession and it is totally unnecessary. The only people to benefit are the banks who can earn more interest, the wealthy with savings and the government supporters who want to create a low-wage economy.
 

Motogull

Todd Warrior
Sep 16, 2005
8,532
I went along to the Newick Bonfire last weekend, and was talking with my mate whos part of the Society. Told him they missed a trick by not having a Johnson or Truss effigy...& his reply was that it wouldn't have gone down at all well in the village if it had been proposed. Hes staunch anti-Tory, but it doesn't sound like the rest of Newick is!
Tell him to suggest a Jeremy Corbyn one next year.
The Tories would have been buried if he had become leader again and was subsequently found to have misled Parliament, for which there seems to be plenty of evidence.
I'm not so sure. He has enough support that will say it was a fit up or such other nonsense.
 

beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
33,652
My view is different.

I believe this inflation is an adjustment to a new geopolitical and economic climate and in this case, it's arguably a one off event. Prices will rise and will stay at those levels, Inflation is simply not going to compound as it is not systemic inflation within the economy which means it will reduce on its own over time. The BOE have highlighted this themselves in their forecasts.
Using interest rates is a very crude and pretty ineffective method to reduce wage inflation and takes 18-24 months to really take effect. Doing this now, simply plunges the economy into a recession and it is totally unnecessary. The only people to benefit are the banks who can earn more interest, the wealthy with savings and the government supporters who want to create a low-wage economy.
if BoE didnt raise rates, pound would suffer, increasing prices of imports. add to that claims they hadnt done "something". all the time there is inflation way above target, and US raises rates, we'll follow. even though everyone knows its not doing to job and we need energy to come down, China to stop lockdown.
 


Barnet Seagull

Luxury Player
Jul 14, 2003
5,791
Falmer, soon...
if BoE didnt raise rates, pound would suffer, increasing prices of imports. add to that claims they hadnt done "something". all the time there is inflation way above target, and US raises rates, we'll follow. even though everyone knows its not doing to job and we need energy to come down, China to stop lockdown.
Or, they could leave them alone (or even reduce them) and let the governments economic policy play out. Greater tax income and a stronger economic plan to manage debt would boost the pound and therefore curb inflationary pressure from imports.
However, this would mean putting in place taxes and controls to better balance the books many of which would be unpopular with their backers but would be better for Britain.
To me this situation favours the banks and the wealthy.
 

beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
33,652
Or, they could leave them alone (or even reduce them) and let the governments economic policy play out. Greater tax income and a stronger economic plan to manage debt would boost the pound and therefore curb inflationary pressure from imports.
However, this would mean putting in place taxes and controls to better balance the books many of which would be unpopular with their backers but would be better for Britain.
To me this situation favours the banks and the wealthy.
increasing taxes will also hurt growth, bring on recession, so end up in the same place. there is a right curve take that rates are rising so they can be lowered later on, aiding the next growth cycle. we're heading for recesssion regardless of rates and tax rates, the production and prices data across Europe are awful, just matter of how deep and long it lasts. we're a little better off here because our bank can tweek the rates for our economic outlook.
 

rogersix

Members
Jan 18, 2014
6,991
increasing taxes will also hurt growth, bring on recession, so end up in the same place. there is a right curve take that rates are rising so they can be lowered later on, aiding the next growth cycle. we're heading for recesssion regardless of rates and tax rates, the production and prices data across Europe are awful, just matter of how deep and long it lasts. we're a little better off here because our bank can tweek the rates for our economic outlook.
and, never forget, considerably worse of from being outside the largest trading block in the world
 

Barnet Seagull

Luxury Player
Jul 14, 2003
5,791
Falmer, soon...
increasing taxes will also hurt growth, bring on recession, so end up in the same place. there is a right curve take that rates are rising so they can be lowered later on, aiding the next growth cycle. we're heading for recesssion regardless of rates and tax rates, the production and prices data across Europe are awful, just matter of how deep and long it lasts. we're a little better off here because our bank can tweek the rates for our economic outlook.
Increases taxes on the wealthy hurt growth less.
 

beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
33,652
and, never forget, considerably worse of from being outside the largest trading block in the world
when German economy is in the toilet, all of europe will be severely affected regardless of EU membership. dont think people here realise quite how bad the data is.
 


Hugo Rune

Members
Feb 23, 2012
18,088
Brighton
Rishi seem to have pretty poor judgement.

This appointment error is unraveling this morning:

“Rishi Sunak is facing claims he knew Sir Gavin Williamson was facing a complaint of bullying the day before he appointed him a cabinet minister.” BBC
 

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