Murray Owes Us

[Brian Fantana]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but before we bought Murray wasn't he told where he would be playing. It's not as if it was like, 'right we've sold you for a good price, off you go then. What do you mean where?.....Brighton, got a map?'
Maybe new players should have a probationary period, a bit like a job.
You pay them on a match by match basis for a half the season and if they like playing for you they sign, if not they go back.
Would save a fortune in transfer fees and you get the players who want to stay, just a thought mind.

Isn't that a loan deal, with a view to a permament move? See if quite a lot from League 1/2 clubs to Championship clubs.

 

[OzMike]

Isn't that a loan deal, with a view to a permament move? See if quite a lot from League 1/2 clubs to Championship clubs.

Yeah that sounds about right, silly me

 

[OzMike]

Maybe minimum loan period should be extended to 6 months to get a better look at the player as 1 month is never enough time IMHO.

 

[Twinkle Toes]

What a dumb ass comment that is. Maybe his loyalty is to his child above anything else and if he needs to go back up north then so be it. Professional footballers are just employees but it seems too many supporters forget that and expect them to take the proverbial bullet for the club.

Is it a "dumb ass" comment though, bearing in mind he cheerfully signed a 3 year contract with us that meant absolutely nothing in reality? I appreciate it cuts both ways (with both parties protecting their interests); & as you rightly say, he is understandably loyal to his child & partner: but is it really too much to spend another season in a place that isn't the same as being ooop north?? I've lived in places all over the country with loved-ones that I/we haven't liked, but we made the best of things & had a bit of patience when it came to relocating to an area where we thought we'd be happier. I realise all individuals are different - but I don't think Glenn Murray & his family have shown much in the way of resolve & I'm pretty pissed-off with him, frankly.

Anyway, maybe we can agree to disagree without descending into the usual playground insults scenario that seems to be de rigeur on here these days?

 

[drew]

Is it a "dumb ass" comment though, bearing in mind he cheerfully signed a 3 year contract with us that meant absolutely nothing in reality? I appreciate it cuts both ways (with both parties protecting their interests); & as you rightly say, he is understandably loyal to his child & partner: but is it really too much to spend another season in a place that isn't the same as being ooop north?? I've lived in places all over the country with loved-ones that I/we haven't liked, but we made the best of things & had a bit of patience when it came to relocating to an area where we thought we'd be happier. I realise all individuals are different - but I don't think Glenn Murray & his family have shown much in the way of resolve & I'm pretty pissed-off with him, frankly.

Anyway, maybe we can agree to disagree without descending into the usual playground insults scenario that seems to be de rigeur on here these days?

agree to disagree it is then.

 

[Twinkle Toes]

agree to disagree it is then.

Nice one hon.

 

[Deano's Invisible Pants]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but before we bought Murray wasn't he told where he would be playing. It's not as if it was like, 'right we've sold you for a good price, off you go then. What do you mean where?.....Brighton, got a map?'
Maybe new players should have a probationary period, a bit like a job.
You pay them on a match by match basis for a half the season and if they like playing for you they sign, if not they go back.
Would save a fortune in transfer fees and you get the players who want to stay, just a thought mind.

At the stage that newspaper reports were claiming that we were about to sign Murray, one of his previous coaches (from Rochdale I think), cautioned against the transfer, pointing out that 'Glenn is very much a Carlisle boy' and a move down south might not suit him.

Well, he was spot on. Yes, we've seen 19 good goals from him and he's got plenty of talent, but he's never even looked like he wants to be here. Perhaps we made an offer that his agent couldn't refuse, but it hasn't worked out. The sooner he and we can move on the better.

 

[Smythe]

Is it a "dumb ass" comment though, bearing in mind he cheerfully signed a 3 year contract with us that meant absolutely nothing in reality? I appreciate it cuts both ways (with both parties protecting their interests); & as you rightly say, he is understandably loyal to his child & partner: but is it really too much to spend another season in a place that isn't the same as being ooop north?? I've lived in places all over the country with loved-ones that I/we haven't liked, but we made the best of things & had a bit of patience when it came to relocating to an area where we thought we'd be happier. I realise all individuals are different - but I don't think Glenn Murray & his family have shown much in the way of resolve & I'm pretty pissed-off with him, frankly.

Anyway, maybe we can agree to disagree without descending into the usual playground insults scenario that seems to be de rigeur on here these days?

so you dont like your loved ones?

 

[Easy 10]

I agree with Twinkle Toes on this.
From the reports, It sounds like its his missus is the one who is unsettled down here (ignore the child aspect - a baby doesn't care whether its living in Rochdale, Brighton or wherever as long as its being loved and looked after).

She's in a relationship with a professional footballer - that, by its nature, means its likely to be a somewhat nomadic life. If she doesn't fancy the lifestyle of moving round the country according to where her partners career takes him, then she's in the wrong relationship. I'm sure she's enjoyed the perks with Glenn of an increased salary (and signing on fee ?), so its her DUTY to settle and make the best of it. Its not like they've come down to some grotty shithole, and its not like she wouldn't have the freedom to visit back up north when she likes.

If its Murrays missus driving this, then I think thats a POOR SHOW on her behalf.

 

[ben andrews' girlfriend]

What a dumb ass comment that is. Maybe his loyalty is to his child above anything else and if he needs to go back up north then so be it. Professional footballers are just employees but it seems too many supporters forget that and expect them to take the proverbial bullet for the club.

Totally agree. I don't understand the mindset of people who think that players should have loyalty to their respective clubs. They're just doing a job at the end of the day. I doubt most of the people here have only had one job in their lives.

 

[Rookie]

I agree with Twinkle Toes on this.
From the reports, It sounds like its his missus is the one who is unsettled down here (ignore the child aspect - a baby doesn't care whether its living in Rochdale, Brighton or wherever as long as its being loved and looked after).

She's in a relationship with a professional footballer - that, by its nature, means its likely to be a somewhat nomadic life. If she doesn't fancy the lifestyle of moving round the country according to where her partners career takes him, then she's in the wrong relationship. I'm sure she's enjoyed the perks with Glenn of an increased salary (and signing on fee ?), so its her DUTY to settle and make the best of it. Its not like they've come down to some grotty shithole, and its not like she wouldn't have the freedom to visit back up north when she likes.

If its Murrays missus driving this, then I think thats a POOR SHOW on her behalf.

Can't work out if you are on a wide up or not.
So a baby wouldn't care if its mother was unhappy? Face facts not everyone wants to live in the south and if his missus believes that living near family will make her happy and inturn improve the happiness of the baby then who are you or anyone else to say that is wrong.

 

[Easy 10]

Can't work out if you are on a wide up or not.
So a baby wouldn't care if its mother was unhappy? Face facts not everyone wants to live in the south and if his missus believes that living near family will make her happy and inturn improve the happiness of the baby then who are you or anyone else to say that is wrong.

If she wanted to stay up north near the family then perhaps that should've been discussed with Glenn before he dragged her down here by the hair kicking and screaming. Nobody put a gun to Glenns head last January and forced him to sign a three-and-a-half year deal, did they.

Now it looks like we've pissed £300k up the wall, because we're certainly going to struggle to recoup that outlay on a crock, and its not much good having him here for another 2 years if he and/or his missus is homesick. We've paid a lot of money for him and to him, just to be messed about. So no, I'm not on a wind-up at all. I'm bloody annoyed with it all.

 

[Pavilionaire]

The player is under contract for 2 more years. He and his family have benefitted from the security that the 3-year contract gave them. If you join a medium size club for a big fee, become the No. 1 striker and get a big salary you can't just quit without there being repercussions, and the transfer fee will be crucial.

If we can't recoup the £300K we spent then the board will justifiably feel like holding on to him, particularly until a replacement has been found.

This is the sort of situation where a chairman with contacts might be able to do a deal by calling in a few favours, but is Tony Bloom in such a position?

 

[Smythe]

I agree with Twinkle Toes on this.
From the reports, It sounds like its his missus is the one who is unsettled down here (ignore the child aspect - a baby doesn't care whether its living in Rochdale, Brighton or wherever as long as its being loved and looked after).

She's in a relationship with a professional footballer - that, by its nature, means its likely to be a somewhat nomadic life. If she doesn't fancy the lifestyle of moving round the country according to where her partners career takes him, then she's in the wrong relationship. I'm sure she's enjoyed the perks with Glenn of an increased salary (and signing on fee ?), so its her DUTY to settle and make the best of it. Its not like they've come down to some grotty shithole, and its not like she wouldn't have the freedom to visit back up north when she likes.

If its Murrays missus driving this, then I think thats a POOR SHOW on her behalf.

and a poor show on his behalf for not having the bollocks to put her straight. As mentioned im sure shes enjoying the perks of a reasonable footballers salary and signing on fee. Its not as if Rochdale is the other side of the world. I seem to remember Roy Keane being quite outspoken about this when he was Sunderland manager...........come on Glen put your foot down mate!!!!

 

[Easy 10]

This is the sort of situation where a chairman with contacts might be able to do a deal by calling in a few favours, but is Tony Bloom in such a position?

Well, Dick is still on the board so I'm sure he can assist Tony Bloom in these type of scenarios (although TB will obviously have the final say on any decisions now).

 

[Pavilionaire]

If I was DK why would I want to carry on doing the job without getting the pay or kudos? Knight can advise but if he's the one picking up the phone Bloom will look a bit of a muppet.

 

[Twinkle Toes]

so you dont like your loved ones?

I see what I've done there. Trust me to post something that sounded a bit 'iffy'..

 

[B.W.]

As long as we recoup or, hopefully, exceed the fee we paid, then we should let him go... otherwise, he should get his head down and do the job he is paid to do... sorry, but he signed for 3 years knowing where Brighton is on a map...

 

[Rookie]

If she wanted to stay up north near the family then perhaps that should've been discussed with Glenn before he dragged her down here by the hair kicking and screaming. Nobody put a gun to Glenns head last January and forced him to sign a three-and-a-half year deal, did they.

Now it looks like we've pissed £300k up the wall, because we're certainly going to struggle to recoup that outlay on a crock, and its not much good having him here for another 2 years if he and/or his missus is homesick. We've paid a lot of money for him and to him, just to be messed about. So no, I'm not on a wind-up at all. I'm bloody annoyed with it all.

Having no inside knowledge of the Murray household couldn't tell you what discussions went on before the move. Don't think she was pregnant at the time (not sure how old the baby is) but maybe that made a huge difference.
We will get our money back if anything more. He is not a crock, one hernia does not mean his career is over. If he hasn't looked bothered or didn't want to be here as some say would hate to think how good he will be when he is happy and playing somewhere he wants to be. I don't remember Thomson getting this much stick when he wanted to go back to Scotland and he lasted less time than Murray

 

[Easy 10]

If I was DK why would I want to carry on doing the job without getting the pay or kudos? Knight can advise but if he's the one picking up the phone Bloom will look a bit of a muppet.

Because Dick is an Albion fan.

And Tony Bloom is abroad more often than not, and has already stated he won't be closely involved in the day-to-day running of the club, but is "always no the end of the phone when needed".