Morrissey in racism row

[hans kraay fan club]

What a load of old bollocks.

The headline writers will take one line completely out of context, or even half of a line if you will. How many will bother to highlight all of the following line, rather than just the second half of it?; He agreed that immigration was enriching the British identity but added "you have to say goodbye to the Britain you once knew".

And, sorry as always to be pedantic, but it should be 'Morrissey caught up in xenophobia row' not 'racism row'. He talks of 'people from other countries' and of 'British accents'. He is as likely, or more likely in fact, to be talking of Poles and other Eastern Europeans rather than Asians, which is the lazy assumption that will be made.

 

[Johnny Crumplin Football]

Mozza bang on the money. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. This guy, the people's poet, is one of the last bastions of true Englishness and should be celebrated and welcomed with open arms every time he sets foot back in the country.

 

[The Large One]

And as I stated "IMO he is stating facts"

If you don't think British identity is slowly dissapearing then fair enough.

Just because it doesn't affect your cosy life, doesn't mean it isn't happening.

British identity isn't disappearing - it's changing. Or, as Buzzer said, evolving.

'Cosy'? Interesting choice of word. And wrong in this context.

 

[Icy Gull]

Once a miserable sod always one

 

[The Large One]

Morrissey insists on NME apology

Morrissey's lawyers have threatened legal action against the NME unless the magazine publishes an apology for an article about the former Smiths star.

The magazine has criticised the singer, 48, for allegedly telling a reporter Britain had lost its identity due to high levels of immigration. His lawyers said they would begin legal proceedings for defamation if the NME had not issued a retraction by 1300GMT. The deadline passed without an apology from the publication.

Earlier, the NME released a statement which read: "We can confirm that Morrissey's legal representatives have been in contact with NME and pending the outcome of these discussions we won't be commenting any further."

The magazine quoted Morrissey allegedly saying: "Although I don't have anything against people from other countries, the higher the influx into England the more the British identity disappears. So the price is enormous. If you travel to Germany, it's still absolutely Germany. If you travel to Sweden, it still has a Swedish identity. But travel to England and you have no idea where you are," the singer is reported to have said. Morrissey has spent the last decade living in Rome and Los Angeles.

In a follow-up interview concerning his comments, the NME reported that Morrissey had said: "It could be construed that the reason I wouldn't wish to live in England is the immigration explosion. And that's not true at all. There are other reasons why I would find England very difficult, such as the expense and the pressure," he said.

He is alleged to have added that he did not think his comments were inflammatory, but were "a statement of fact". The singer's manager accused the NME of "character assassination".

 

[Il Duce]

Maybe this is all a publicity stunt for the NME. I mean, who the f*** still buys that piece of shit? I guess a few unwashed Indy students...

 

[tip top]

All you're effectively saying there is "I'm right and you're wrong".

If two people can disagree on something (without one of them patently being wrong) then surely it is an opinion, as preferred to a fact?

If I agree with what someone has said, I will say that in MY OPINION that is right and correct because that is my view.

Where have I said that TLO is wrong?

 

[tip top]

British identity isn't disappearing - it's changing. Or, as Buzzer said, evolving.

'Cosy'? Interesting choice of word. And wrong in this context.

It's changing or evolving not disappearing?

Is that fact or your opinion as you didn't state that clearly

 

[Buzzer]

It's changing or evolving not disappearing?

Is that fact or your opinion as you didn't state that clearly

It is changing. I think we can all agree on that. Evolution or extinction, though? It's quite clearly evolution in my view.

It happens. Do you think the Scouse accent would have happened without huge numbers of Irish moving into Merseyside? I'm sure the indigenous people at the time moaned about it too but that's what happens.

Morrissey is exaggerating a problem that doesn't really exist.

 

[The Large One]

It's changing or evolving not disappearing?

Is that fact or your opinion as you didn't state that clearly

Listen, we're both right about this.

What I think you're talking about is 'British identity' as it was, say, 20, 30 or more years ago. THAT'S disappearing. Whether that's a good thing or not is another argument, although I'm guessing at the point you made to me about 'cosy lifestyle' (possibly implying a sheltered, traditional existence - correct me if that's not right) as being part of a British identity seems to indicate it's not good.

But British identity now still very much exists, but is a different beast, (that could be garnered as 'fact') and Morrissey doesn't appear to like it (that's his 'opinion').

 

[Grendel]

Maybe this is all a publicity stunt for the NME. I mean, who the f*** still buys that piece of shit? I guess a few unwashed Indy students...

Quite. It seems to me like they're trying to re-ignite an old and long forgotten feud in an attempt to boost their pathetic circulation figures.

 

[keaton]

This is his latest pearl of wisdom

"While, to the immigrant, entry to this country was admission to privileges and opportunities... the impact upon the existing population was very different. For reasons which they could not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country."

 

[tip top]

It happens. Do you think the Scouse accent would have happened without huge numbers of Irish moving into Merseyside? I'm sure the indigenous people at the time moaned about it too but that's what happens.



I rest my case m'lord

 

[Il Duce]

Morrissey is exaggerating a problem that doesn't really exist.

I'm sorry but that is simply untrue. Try travelling around Red Ken's melting pot (beyond Victoria Station and Oxford Street). Immigration is a problem and there are huge social issues all across the capital as a result of mass immigration: not enough jobs; not enough school places; not enough hospitals; insufficient infrastructure; scarcity of housing.

 

[Buzzer]

It happens. Do you think the Scouse accent would have happened without huge numbers of Irish moving into Merseyside? I'm sure the indigenous people at the time moaned about it too but that's what happens.



I rest my case m'lord

eh? Are you saying that Britain was worse for the Irish moving into Liverpool? Did Liverpool become Irish as opposed to British?

No and No. Of course not. My point is that it has happened before and Britain didn't suddenly disappear in a puff of smoke. It merely changed BUT it's still Britain and I don't feel less British because of it.

I still don't know what your case is, to be honest. As far as I can see you seem to think that we won't be talking English or able to go down to a pub for a pint in 30 years time. I really wouldn't worry.

 

[Buzzer]

I'm sorry but that is simply untrue. Try travelling around Red Ken's melting pot (beyond Victoria Station and Oxford Street). Immigration is a problem and there are huge social issues all across the capital as a result of mass immigration: not enough jobs; not enough school places; not enough hospitals; insufficient infrastructure; scarcity of housing.

Immigration MAY be a problem. Morrissey's point was about British identity though and specifically on that point I don't see what the problem is.

 

[tip top]

eh? Are you saying that Britain was worse for the Irish moving into Liverpool? Did Liverpool become Irish as opposed to British?

No and No. Of course not. My point is that it has happened before and Britain didn't suddenly disappear in a puff of smoke. It merely changed BUT it's still Britain and I don't feel less British because of it.

I still don't know what your case is, to be honest. As far as I can see you seem to think that we won't be talking English or able to go down to a pub for a pint in 30 years time. I really wouldn't worry.

Calm down calm down.

I was making light that without immigration we wouldn't have the scouse accent, which surely is a case against it!

 

[Buzzer]

Calm down calm down.

I was making light that without immigration we wouldn't have the scouse accent, which surely is a case against it!

good point, well made.

 

[csider]

How can he say such things without being arrested and given 40 lashes!!?

 

[Grendel]

As far as I can see you seem to think that we won't be talking English.....in 30 years time.

It seems to me that vast numbers of the native inhabitants of this country are incapable of speaking the language now. In 30 years time I fully expect the majority of the population to communicate via a serious of grunts and hand gestures.