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[GoldWithFalmer]

Strange because it is deeply unlikely? if there are less players but a similar pool of cash what do you think the agents will demand? If you can't bring in a Romanian kid from their domestic league the only people who benefit are rubbish English footballers. We then have to watch lesser football on inflated wages. Competition is good.

I agree regards football Brexit impact will be minimal,but many years ago i seemed to believe that younger players in this country would not get a chance in the top flight and that is largely true this would have an effect on our National team (that is open to debate) but i remember times we used to even make semi finals...

 

[5ways]

What about the worker? I'm not sure which area you work in but how would you like it/cope if your sector was flooded with people who could do the same job and be paid more in a week and a half on the UK minimum/living wage than they could in a month in their home country? Would they be more likely to work harder/ longer hours be more flexible therefore more employable?

The truth is we know no one would appreciate this happening in their job but far to many are happy to accept it if it effects only those lower down the pay scale.

Best summed up as an 'I'm alright Jack' attitude.

The 'I''m alright Jack' attitude was displayed most clearly and unabashedly by our over-65s I would say.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

The 'I''m alright Jack' attitude was displayed most clearly and unabashedly by our over-65s I would say.

With every right too.... many have slogged their lives out bought up families paid their way and earned the country the freedoms many take for granted now.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

The 'I''m alright Jack' attitude was displayed most clearly and unabashedly by our over-65s I would say.

That doesn't answer the questions I asked but never mind.

As an advocate of competition = improved quality I take it you would support introducing more competition into public services like the NHS?

 

[GT49er]

The 'I''m alright Jack' attitude was displayed most clearly and unabashedly by our over-65s I would say.

Even more clearly by those remainers with their snouts in the trough, I would say.

 

[5ways]

That doesn't answer the questions I asked but never mind.

As an advocate of competition = improved quality I take it you would support introducing more competition into public services like the NHS?

I guess so. There is already competition for the NHS from private providers. This reduces the demand on the NHS which is a good thing.

Also it is broadly true that if there is more competition people will have to specialise more and deeper to find their niche. This pushes up productivity, which should produce better outcomes for the individual involved. Yes it's all theory but it's broadly true. I think the the underlying point is that if you work hard and apply yourself in a growing economy you can make a success of your chosen field. Brexit is already weakening the economy and will do for the foreseeable future, that in no way helps those at the bottom. What people do not need is a recession. Over 65s are largely insulated from this and seemingly voted with reckless abandon.

 

[pastafarian]

Over 65s are largely insulated from this and seemingly voted with reckless abandon.

Reckless abandon? ? ?......have a listen to yourself will you.......what arrogant rubbish.
If people should take anything from this referendum its a very valuable life skill offered up the older voters, you wont make a difference if you dont bother to vote

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Here are the facts. Presently there is an "Australian style points based system" in respect of Non-EU football players who want to play in English football. This is a combination of their domestic country's FIFA ranking and the proportion of international matches the player has played in the last two years.

If the wishes of the Brexit camp are achieved to reduce migration to the 'tens of thousands' mentioned in the Conservative manifesto and supported by both the Prime Ministerial candidates a similar rule would presumably be applied to EU players after Brexit.

If so non international EU players such as I mentioned before (Calde, Bruno, Ulloa et al) would not qualify and the contribution they have made would not have been seen. Instead their place would have given to domestic players.

PL clubs are less likely to be affected as their signings are more likely to be established internationals. Even so, last season, Payet at West Ham, Kante at Leicester and Martial at Manchester United would have not been able to join those clubs.

This is however good news for locally born players whose jobs have been stolen by foreigners.

Whether fans would rather have seen more of the likes of Leon Best instead of Ulloa or Paddy McCourt instead of Knockaert is debatable.

Surely you must agree that if the aim is to get migration down from 300,000 to the stated 50-60,000 then the priority should be for skilled people in medicine, science, education, finance, research and so on, rather than non-international footballers?

I gueninely don't understand why football wouldn't be roughly 'net immigration neutral', with footballers joining clubs from the EU being balanced by those 'going back home' when their contracts end.

 

[Soulman]

Reckless abandon? ? ?......have a listen to yourself will you.......what arrogant rubbish.
If people should take anything from this referendum its a very valuable life skill offered up the older voters, you wont make a difference if you dont bother to vote

Exactly, all the youngsters now out for their protests etc, if they had bothered to vote in the first place, and they wanted to Remain, then a short walk and a cross in the box would have sufficed....allegedly.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Premier League will still be attractive as they can afford to pay the £20-40million it costs to sign an established international, unlike clubs in the Championship.

I would argue they wouldn't once the TV companies, foreign owners depart.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Well for me if this happens it just means clubs will need to nurture their own talent again rather than paying inflated fees for poor foreign equivalents. Can only be good for the home nations .... mind you nothing seems to help England

I don't think it will though.

At the moment you have to be a top young player to get playing time, however if you remove the foreign players people like Leon Best would be in the top flight.

Assuming that is the case and Brighton will be in the championship, who will they be left with?

How will that help the England squad?

 

[portslade seagull]

I don't think it will though.

At the moment you have to be a top young player to get playing time, however if you remove the foreign players people like Leon Best would be in the top flight.

Assuming that is the case and Brighton will be in the championship, who will they be left with?

How will that help the England squad?

With more home grown players making it through things would improve.

 

[Brighton Mod]

Don't you mean you inferred something that I neither stated nor implied?



And yet other countries manage to run a budget surplus and still provide the best living conditions the human race has ever experienced.



I know I can't but it doesn't stop me from being unhappy that my children will be saddled with paying it off.

Not into semantics, would rather be straight about my points. Presumably those countries running budget surplus's are in the EU, whilst maintaining the highest living standards the human race has ever known? AS for your children paying down the debt, it will never be paid down and they will pay their taxes like the rest of us.

 

[Steve in Japan]

I gueninely don't understand why football wouldn't be roughly 'net immigration neutral', with footballers joining clubs from the EU being balanced by those 'going back home' when their contracts end.

I was going to post similar. EP's post suggests that if we don't maintain net migration at 300,000+ then existing EU players will need to go home. I don't see that

Either free movement continues OR we move to a UK points system.

If we are on a points system then we can debate what the target for NET migration might be - could be as low as 50,000 but I doubt it. That target would commence from exiting the EU - in a minimum of 2 years time. So if at that stage we have, say, 100 EU players in the Championship I don't see why that number needs to reduce at any time. The caveat is that the FA would need to be persuaded to soften the existing entry rules which are currently applied for non EU players and if a player meets those criteria, they get a work permit.

I don't know if the FA would choose to make their rules more flexible, though. If they don't that would be an FA policy decision as much as a Brexit/immigration thing.

 

[Spicy]

I wouldn't say I'm an expert but I have a basic understanding of European institutions.

Here you go:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relat...of_Justice_and_European_Court_of_Human_Rights

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Court_of_Human_Rights

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Europe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_the_Council_of_Europe

Thanks and will read all of that when I have nothing better to do.

 

[Spicy]

Compared to the major aspects of our lives, you seem to be very charged up about a few relatively trivial matters.

What are all these restrictions/red tape that are affecting our farms and fisheries policies? How are farmers and fishing people being affected? How many people are being affected? Don't our farmers and fishing people receive any benefits from the EU? Are these restrictions/red tape just imposed on Britain or have we been involved in negotiations and agreed to the outcomes?

How many scum of the earth have we had to keep here because of the European Court of Human Rights? How has that personally affected you? Has the European Court of Human Rights ever done anything good for Britain? Have any of their decisions been incorporated into English law? Has the justice you may receive been enhanced by the existence of the European Court of Human Rights and their decisions?

In which ways have we not been able to stand up for ourselves? In which ways will being able to able to stand up for ourselves in future affect you? How will your quality of life improve?

Whether we are in the EU or out, things are never going to be either wonderful or disastrous, there are always going to be some aspects that could be improved or things that irritate however, try looking at the bigger picture. The EU was created to prevent European nations fighting each other and stop adding to the death toll that had risen inexorably over the centuries to culminate in the tens of millions who lost their lives during the first half of the 20th century. Building on the peace dividend, the EU further developed into a common marketplace so that nations could grow and flourish economically.

Peace and prosperity. Yep, I'd claim that's wonderful.

And I am the one you say is charged up. I cannot imagine what it is like living with you with more questions than answers - a simple "what would you like for breakfast?" would be met with "has the milk for my cereal been farmed in accordance with EU regulations? if I have a kipper (or maybe two) will the herring have been caught in accordance with European fisheries policy?" is the bread for my toast European or just plain old English"?? Calm down, calm down, we are only having a discussion.

 

[Diego Napier]

And I am the one you say is charged up. I cannot imagine what it is like living with you with more questions than answers - a simple "what would you like for breakfast?" would be met with "has the milk for my cereal been farmed in accordance with EU regulations? if I have a kipper (or maybe two) will the herring have been caught in accordance with European fisheries policy?" is the bread for my toast European or just plain old English"?? Calm down, calm down, we are only having a discussion.

My post was aimed at identifying whether you were aware of any specific facts that supported your tabloid headline sound-bite styled opinions by asking a series of straightforward questions. I am calm, the tone of my post was calm, the questions were calm. Discussion? There is no discussion, you've answered none of my questions and instead posted a series of odd suppositions relating to my breakfast routine, presumably by way of deflection.

 

[Spicy]

My post was aimed at identifying whether you were aware of any specific facts that supported your tabloid headline sound-bite styled opinions by asking a series of straightforward questions. I am calm, the tone of my post was calm, the questions were calm. Discussion? There is no discussion, you've answered none of my questions and instead posted a series of odd suppositions relating to my breakfast routine, presumably by way of deflection.

Lighten up love!

 

[El Presidente]

With more home grown players making it through things would improve.

I think you are mixing quality with quantity.

 

[El Presidente]

I gueninely don't understand why football wouldn't be roughly 'net immigration neutral', with footballers joining clubs from the EU being balanced by those 'going back home' when their contracts end.

As much as I love the likes of Calde and co I believe that doctors, engineers and the like make a greater contribution to the economy.

If you want to reduce migration to the 'tens of thousands' mentioned by May then it makes sense to replace returning footballers with medical professionals.

Also why one set of rules for EU players and one for non-EU? I thought out meant out?