MK Dons/AFC Wimbledon

[somerset]

I say good luck to both of them........ the debate is over, the decisions have been made, let both teams now try and find their way......MK have a big enough catchment population, things might take 5 years or so to settle down, and AFC will florish with the crowds they are getting ( 3k average i think) and will find their level over the next 5 years too.

Move on everybody.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I dont think anyone has the right to have ago at someone for sticking with mk dons as its there choice if they want to or not.

 

[Biscuit]

Thank you Bracknell, thanks Fran.

In reply to Dougdeep. Would you go to Milton Keanes if we draw them in the cup.. thats a tough one. I wouldn't want to give them my money, but I would want to support my team. I'd have to think about it.

 

[The Laughing Bluebird]

That'll be the thousands of AFC Wimbledon fans who watch their team every week or the couple of dozen "Wimbledon" supporters who went to Rotherham last season only to find themselves outnumbered by the stewards?

What's your point, LB? Are you suggesting that the Milton Keynes fans are somehow in the wrong because they are in a minority?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

What if we draw M.K.Dons in the cup, would you go? I wouldn't.

yes i would go

 

[Biscuit]

TLB, you can take me on.. but I wouldn't try and win an argument against Bracknell!

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

What's your point, LB? Are you suggesting that the Milton Keynes fans are somehow in the wrong because they are in a minority?

by what he is saying yes

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

i dont think anyone can be 'wrong' in who they want to support. if the individuals feel that mk is still their original team then fair do's. maybe they just cant face what has happend and cant let go of them. i cant quite see how we can judge the people for which team they support. a touch severe in my view.

 

[The Laughing Bluebird]

TLB, you can take me on.. but I wouldn't try and win an argument against Bracknell!

I'm not sure there is an argument to be had, as I'm not sure what Lord B is actually talking about. I can't believe for a minute that he thinks AFC Wimbledon fans are somehow superior to Milton Keynes fans because they are greater in number. That would be most unlike Lord B, and would be the sort of talk you'd expect to hear from a fan of a big Premiership club, not from a fan of Brighton & Hove Albion.

Anyway, just in case he (or anybody else) is, I'd like to point out that AFC Wimbledon's average home attendance this season is a very creditable 2,771, while Milton Keynes have a surprisingly healthy average home attendance of 4,590.

 

[Biscuit]

maybe they just cant face what has happend and cant let go of them.

You could be right there MATT. If they want to delude themselves into thinking the club they support is still Wimbledon, they have every right to.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

mate you are talking bollocks, sorry

name changes were common a while back as was moving grounds its nothing new in football - maybe this time its just a bit further.

you are sounding like you are above any other fan and you are superior

what gives you the right to say to mk fans you are wrong for staying loyal, after all we have had to stay loyal to brighton in the past few years when it could have been easier to go off and support someone else.

 

[The Laughing Bluebird]

If they want to delude themselves into thinking the club they support is still Wimbledon, they have every right to. They obviously don't understand that a real Wimbledon, are still playing football, and still playing it in Wimbledon.

My God, you really are incredible. Tell me, what do you think it is that gives you the right to judge other football fans in the way that you regularly do? And how the hell do you know what Milton Keynes fans feel or understand?

Fans United my arse. Fans United If I Happen To Like The Club They Support would be a more appropriate slogan in your case.

 

[Biscuit]

Anyway, just in case he (or anybody else) is, I'd like to point out that AFC Wimbledon's average home attendance this season is a very creditable 2,771, while Milton Keynes have a surprisingly healthy average home attendance of 4,590.

AFC = Ryman League Division One
MK Dons = League One

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

but you have been saying all the real dons fans went to support afc- with those gate figures they obviously didnt

 

[The Laughing Bluebird]

AFC = Ryman League Division One
MK Dons = League One

So what?

Lord Bracknell seemed to be suggesting that AFC fans are somehow superior to Milton Keynes fans because they are greater in numbers. The figures I quoted showed that they aren't.

(Apologies in advance to LB if I've misinterpreted what he was saying.)

 

[readingstockport]

mate you are talking bollocks, sorry

name changes were common a while back as was moving grounds its nothing new in football - maybe this time its just a bit further.

you are sounding like you are above any other fan and you are superior

what gives you the right to say to mk fans you are wrong for staying loyal, after all we have had to stay loyal to brighton in the past few years when it could have been easier to go off and support someone else.

No you are talking bollocks. Why does this argument have to be rehashed each and every time when people so evidently know few of the actual facts.

Wimbledon were moved to concrete cow land purely and solely to facilitate a property deal. Employees of Wimbledon FC lied to the 3 man FA commission as did wankleman and employees of Wimbledon FC funded a residents campaign against a return to Merton when such a move looked possible. This is all backed up by tape recordings the veracity of which has never been questioned bu the employee in question.

There was no need for Wimbledon to move to survive, they were moved against the wishes f their fans simply so wankleman could make millions in a property and supremarket deal with asda/walmart.

THAT IS WHY FRANCHISE SHOULD DIE and no real fan should even consider giving them a penny IMO. They money men have to be shown that doing things like this will result in failure and hopefully one day someone will put the coke riddled brain of wankleman in its rightful place.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

so this gives people the right to question who other people support

 

[Schrödinger's Toad]

THAT IS WHY FRANCHISE SHOULD DIE and no real fan should even consider giving them a penny IMO. They money men have to be shown that doing things like this will result in failure and hopefully one day someone will put the coke riddled brain of wankleman in its rightful place.

Fair enough, the reasons behind the move were completely beyond the pale, many people high up abused their positions/neglected their duty etc.

But it doesn't follow that all their fans, those that there are, are wrong in following them - why should a fan living in north London, who doesn't want to go and watch non-league football, wishing to continue to watch what he deems to be a team of players worthy of his support, not do so?

MK Dons may be a disgrace, but I have no such contempt for their fans, only the bigwigs who let it happen.

 

[readingstockport]

Fair enough RT on that we disagree.

franchise and franchising still desreve to fail and for thos ewho choose to watch the franchis eI actually have no sympathy.

However do let me say

Hope you ALL have a great day today.

 

[wrexhamgnasher]

I'm attending MK next week because sadly I do not have the finances to pick and choose my games. My dad currently has a falt in Northampton so he said he would take me.
In my opinion what has happened to Wimbeldon is disgraceful. The FA should never have allowed it.
However I don't think it is up to anyone to decide if the fans of either club are right or wrong for supporting whom they choose.
Unless you have been in that situation then you can't make a judgement in my opinion.
Therefore it is wrong to criticise MK fans for sticking with their team.
The fact remains that although they may seem a totally different club they are the same! So the colours have changed, the ground and name have changed. If that means they have completly changed then does that mean when a business is relocated with a new logo, manager etc that they are a completly different business? MK Dons still have some of the same fans, the same players and the same league position as Wimbeldon did. This doesn't mean what they have done is right, but essentially it isn't a new club (as someone had said on here earlier) its more like a re-branding.
I wrote an article for the Wrexham fanzine on Oswestry and their merger with TNS. I thought this was a disgrace simply because Oswestry lost everything, their players, their name, their league position, their staff. Basically the only reason they have merged with TNS is because they were dieing and TNS saw Oswestry as a perfect change to improve their fan base. I wouldn't blame Oswestry fans for setting up a new team and I wouldn't blame them if they decided to carry on supporting TNS because thats what their team have become.
AFC Wimbeldon was set up because people didn't believe in what was happening at their club.
I don't blame them, perhaps if I was in the same situation at Wrexham I would do the same.
For me I don't agree einterly with what Milton Keynes did but I wouldn't comment on if their fans made the right choice or not. It would not be my place to say as I havn't been in that situation.