MEP Nigel farage

[cunning fergus]

I live in the village I went to school in and have the privilege of lifetime friends from up and down the social scale. My middle class friends are a mix but all of my 'working class' friends seem to be way to the right of me. They certainly wouldn't vote Labour if Corbyn was involved. If they wanted a banner to march behind I fear it would be more likely to read UKIP (although to be honest I don't think many of them would bother to march anywhere very much).

Depends how you define right and left, and what that means. The BNP used to advocate the establishment of workers cooperatives and full nationalisation of British industry yet we're always labelled right wing.

Controlling the labour market is not right wing, is socialism. Free liberal markets are right wing and it's what all mainstream political parties support. If Labour had the balls to advocate controls on the labour market especially for the working class, then they would have parked Labour tanks on UKIP lawns.

Then your working class friends might not have to hold their nose and vote for the only show in town that is prepared to protect their interests.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

https://youtu.be/YuPm5IZQfEA

You're not wrong Nigel. UKIP have done more to curtail/limit the rise of the far right in Britain than all the hypocritical nauseating 'anti Fascist' groups, Guardianista luvvies condemnation combined.

Rocking the seventies porn star/ village people tash aswell ...

 

[The Clamp]

God, he's a nauseating little worm isn't he. Anyway, according to you lot, his job is done. Why doesn't he disappear whence he came to have more time for himself, as he promised. Ugh, turns one's stomach doesn't it.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

God, he's a nauseating little worm isn't he. Anyway, according to you lot, his job is done. Why doesn't he disappear whence he came to have more time for himself, as he promised. Ugh, turns one's stomach doesn't it.

Nice to see you biting instead of laying the bait

In truth, despite your protestations he will probably go down as one of the most influential political figures in our lifetime. That's got to hurt right?

 

[Eeyore]

https://youtu.be/YuPm5IZQfEA

You're not wrong Nigel. UKIP have done more to curtail/limit the rise of the far right in Britain than all the hypocritical nauseating 'anti Fascist' groups, Guardianista luvvies condemnation combined.

Rocking the seventies porn star/ village people tash aswell ...

They have destroyed the far right parties, yes. They haven't stopped people having such views. Many of those people have supported them.

 

[The Clamp]

Nice to see you biting instead of laying the bait

In truth, despite your protestations he will probably go down as one of the most influential political figures in our lifetime. That's got to hurt right?

Urgh. Foul.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

They have destroyed the far right parties, yes. They haven't stopped people having such views. Many of those people have supported them.

And on that one agreed point alone we should all thank UKIP/Farage for providing a useful democratic service ... correct?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Urgh. Foul.

 

[cheshunt seagull]

Nice to see you biting instead of laying the bait

In truth, despite your protestations he will probably go down as one of the most influential political figures in our lifetime. That's got to hurt right?

A one-issue pub bore who was as surprised as anybody that the financial crash, austerity policy, a totally incompetent government and clueless opposition suddenly placed him in a position as the figurehead of an agenda that a lot of understandably disillusioned people backed. Terrified that he might actually have do something he fxxked off before he could be found out whilst still taking the money of the people he claims to despise. He makes Mussolini look like a principled visionary. History will judge him for the mediocrity he is and although, as a Remain supporter, I would love to able to condemn all Leave voters as ignorant bigots, the truth is that most voted Leave in spite of this shyster than because of him.

 

[The Clamp]

A one-issue pub bore who was as surprised as anybody that the financial crash, austerity policy, a totally incompetent government and clueless opposition suddenly placed him in a position as the figurehead of an agenda that a lot of understandably disillusioned people backed. Terrified that he might actually have do something he fxxked off before he could be found out whilst still taking the money of the people he claims to despise. He makes Mussolini look like a principled visionary. History will judge him for the mediocrity he is and although, as a Remain supporter, I would love to able to condemn all Leave voters as ignorant bigots, the truth is that most voted Leave in spite of this shyster than because of him.

Perfect post. Spot on.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

A one-issue pub bore who was as surprised as anybody that the financial crash, austerity policy, a totally incompetent government and clueless opposition suddenly placed him in a position as the figurehead of an agenda that a lot of understandably disillusioned people backed. Terrified that he might actually have do something he fxxked off before he could be found out whilst still taking the money of the people he claims to despise. He makes Mussolini look like a principled visionary. History will judge him for the mediocrity he is and although, as a Remain supporter, I would love to able to condemn all Leave voters as ignorant bigots, the truth is that most voted Leave in spite of this shyster than because of him.

Or someone who correctly identified the pressing, real concerns of a large percentage of the population and gave them a legitimate democratic voice.

Vote count has already proved your analysis wrong.

 

[cheshunt seagull]

Or someone who correctly identified the pressing, real concerns of a large percentage of the population and gave them a legitimate democratic voice.

Vote count has already proved your analysis wrong.

My point was questioning the role that Farage played in that vote, not the vote itself which was motivated by factors which were far greater than anything he and his party could influence. I think his major achievement was frightening the Conservative leadership enough to put a referendum in their manifesto and this makes his role significant but to think that 52% of voters would be influenced by such a character is more insulting than anything a Remoaner like me could say..

 

[GT49er]

A one-issue pub bore who was as surprised as anybody that the financial crash, austerity policy, a totally incompetent government and clueless opposition suddenly placed him in a position as the figurehead of an agenda that a lot of understandably disillusioned people backed. Terrified that he might actually have do something he fxxked off before he could be found out whilst still taking the money of the people he claims to despise. He makes Mussolini look like a principled visionary. History will judge him for the mediocrity he is and although, as a Remain supporter, I would love to able to condemn all Leave voters as ignorant bigots, the truth is that most voted Leave in spite of this shyster than because of him.

Yes, but in spite of all that, "In truth, despite your protestations he will probably go down as one of the most influential political figures in our lifetime". And basically, he left when he was able to turn round and say, "Job done". He'd got us a referendum, and we'd voted 'Out'. That was what he set out to do; never his intention (or ambition) to become PM or run the country. Just to get us out..

 

[JC Footy Genius]

My point was questioning the role that Farage played in that vote, not the vote itself which was motivated by factors which were far greater than anything he and his party could influence. I think his major achievement was frightening the Conservative leadership enough to put a referendum in their manifesto and this makes his role significant but to think that 52% of voters would be influenced by such a character is more insulting than anything a Remoaner like me could say..

Agree he was instrumental in getting a referendum vote (consulting the unwashed masses) which the establishment /elites normally avoid at all cost but I think he also played a significant role by re focussing the campaign on immigration/ getting the vote out in Labour heartlands. UKIP won the European elections under proportional representation more than 50% of people according to polls want net immigration reduced, thank goodness they weren't driven towards the far right to get a voice.

 

[Albumen]

...... nope

 

[JC Footy Genius]

...... nope

Fan of increased support for the BNP then

 

[cheshunt seagull]

Agree he was instrumental in getting a referendum vote (consulting the unwashed masses) which the establishment /elites normally avoid at all cost but I think he also played a significant role by re focussing the campaign on immigration/ getting the vote out in Labour heartlands. UKIP won the European elections under proportional representation more than 50% of people according to polls want net immigration reduced, thank goodness they weren't driven towards the far right to get a voice.

Not sure about the logic that says that by, focussing on immigration, he reduced the potential impact of the further right; his poster in the final week looked as if it was raising the temperature in that area. My main issue with him is that having doggedly campaigned on one issue for a number of years he should have had a well developed idea of what would replace it. He should also should have been able to conduct a much wider and better informed debate as he had been in rehearsal for it for all of his political life.

I have always tended toward the left and it is very easy to find failings in the existing market system but much harder to come up with an alternative. However if I dedicated my life being a spokesman for the overthrow of the capitalist system and suddenly found myself at the vanguard or a socialist revolution it wouldn't be unreasonable for people to expect me to know what to do next. Lenin didn't say my work here is done in October 1917 and hop on the train to Helsinki.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Not sure about the logic that says that by, focussing on immigration, he reduced the potential impact of the further right; his poster in the final week looked as if it was raising the temperature in that area. My main issue with him is that having doggedly campaigned on one issue for a number of years he should have had a well developed idea of what would replace it. He should also should have been able to conduct a much wider and better informed debate as he had been in rehearsal for it for all of his political life.

I have always tended toward the left and it is very easy to find failings in the existing market system but much harder to come up with an alternative. However if I dedicated my life being a spokesman for the overthrow of the capitalist system and suddenly found myself at the vanguard or a socialist revolution it wouldn't be unreasonable for people to expect me to know what to do next. Lenin didn't say my work here is done in October 1917 and hop on the train to Helsinki.

The logic is based on the real world of the entirely legitimate concerns of the UK population expressed through the ballot box and polling evidence. He was never going to be in a position to form an alternative government or propose policies guaranteed to be enacted so why would you expect this to be the case?

The (dubious) ... ( cop out) joy of being on the left of politics is assuming a majority agree with or will soon agree with your pov ..... which is constantly disproved by reality/numerous elections.

 

[GT49er]

Not sure about the logic that says that by, focussing on immigration, he reduced the potential impact of the further right; his poster in the final week looked as if it was raising the temperature in that area. My main issue with him is that having doggedly campaigned on one issue for a number of years he should have had a well developed idea of what would replace it.

You're missing the difference between a pressure group and a full-scale party. Farage (and hopefully UKIP will realise this once we are out of the EU, and disband) only had one aim; to free the UK from the EU. Not to rule it, or decide on future policy.

Lenin didn't say my work here is done in October 1917 and hop on the train to Helsinki.

Might have been a good idea if he had, though........

 

[Eeyore]

And on that one agreed point alone we should all thank UKIP/Farage for providing a useful democratic service ... correct?

I don't think so. Some of the far right have been given a legitimate back stage role in a homogeneous and slightly sanitised political grouping.

You don't change people by re-ordering the political framework of society. You do give them legitimacy by playing the apologist through indifference to their re-worked rhetoric- which UKIP is most guilty of.

Far from being emasculated the far right is most healthy and gaining in strength.