Mcghee invites fans down to the training ground to witness "team spirit"

[tedebear]

No I'm suggesting that Mcghee shuts the f*** up in the press about this before more damage is done!

Have any of you moaners realized that its probably you who is prompting McGhee to spell out his tactics to the press more than usual - just to show that he does care? Your continual whinging puts him in a very hard position!! Why don't you shut the f*** up? Have you ever managed a team and had to deal with a bunch of moaning supporters baying for your blood? how wuld you deal with it in order to keep management happy and keep your job?

 

[Gwylan]

Loyalty to MM is commendable, but not when there is a deliberate refusal to accept that even occasionally he makes mistakes.

I can't recall a single post that has said that McGhee has never made a mistake. I can recall plenty that say that McGhee should stay but for the life of me cannot think how that can be twisted to mean that he's not capable of making errors.
In fact, one of the things I like about McGhee is that he does hold up his hand and accept it when he's cocked up.

However, in the case of players whingeing because they're dropped, he's clearly in the right. He picks the team and while we can have debates about whether he's picked the right team, the players should accept it and not go throw their toys out of their prams. So far this season, Knight, Trolley and, now, FDM have behaved dreadfully and if they're not going to act like professional footballers then McGhee is right to kick them out of the club.

Compare with the attitude of OGH or Mayo who train harder in their determination to get back in the side. Or with Tank who, after being abused by all and sundry got himself fit and made himself almost indispensible (with plenty of help from McGhee). It's clear that players know where they stand with McGhee, train hard and you'll stand a chance, laze around and gripe and you're out. Sounds about right to me, I'd much rather have players prepared to fight to stay up.

 

[bhaexpress]

I can't recall a single post that has said that McGhee has never made a mistake. I can recall plenty that say that McGhee should stay but for the life of me cannot think how that can be twisted to mean that he's not capable of making errors.
In fact, one of the things I like about McGhee is that he does hold up his hand and accept it when he's cocked up.

However, in the case of players whingeing because they're dropped, he's clearly in the right. He picks the team and while we can have debates about whether he's picked the right team, the players should accept it and not go throw their toys out of their prams. So far this season, Knight, Trolley and, now, FDM have behaved dreadfully and if they're not going to act like professional footballers then McGhee is right to kick them out of the club.

Compare with the attitude of OGH or Mayo who train harder in their determination to get back in the side. Or with Tank who, after being abused by all and sundry got himself fit and made himself almost indispensible (with plenty of help from McGhee). It's clear that players know where they stand with McGhee, train hard and you'll stand a chance, laze around and gripe and you're out. Sounds about right to me, I'd much rather have players prepared to fight to stay up.

I think that sums up the situation very accurately.

 

[Bigtomfu]

I think however that with FDM he has never really rated him and was forced somewhat to eat a degree of humble pie after Roberts got injured leading to his retirement. He played fantastically until getting injured against Forest- the purchase of Henderson, while excellent because he is so young and can clearly progress, was not necessary IF MM trusts and believes Chagneau to be good enough.
The first chance he gets he likes to drop players- if i were Kuipers that might peave me slightly too.

 

[Black Country Seagull]

He's trying to draw a line under it and move on. Hopefully the few disaffected team-members will do the same.

As a former journalist I can tell you the last thing you do if you are trying to draw a line under anything, is to talk to the media about it.
The only thing MM is doing by being so open with the press is highlighting a pattern of regular bust ups within the squad and perhaps bringing into question his man mangement skills.

The question I would like to ask, has kuipers been dropped by anyother managers and acted like this? If so then like Knight has a history and MM you must feel sorry for.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Have any of you moaners realized that its probably you who is prompting McGhee to spell out his tactics to the press more than usual - just to show that he does care? Your continual whinging puts him in a very hard position!! Why don't you shut the f*** up? Have you ever managed a team and had to deal with a bunch of moaning supporters baying for your blood? how wuld you deal with it in order to keep management happy and keep your job?

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

Have any of you moaners realized that its probably you who is prompting McGhee to spell out his tactics to the press more than usual - just to show that he does care? Your continual whinging puts him in a very hard position!! Why don't you shut the f*** up? Have you ever managed a team and had to deal with a bunch of moaning supporters baying for your blood? how wuld you deal with it in order to keep management happy and keep your job?

Funnily enough, the same way I manage staff now, the way I have been doing for almost 20 years. You don't need to be a football manager to be able to man-manage - and please don't give me the crap about knowing what it is like managing under stress - I think I have a pretty good idea! I would never publicise bustups within a work place either - going to the press to draw a line under it is the last thing on MM's mind - he knows exactly what he is doing when he goes to the paper.

One minute you are telling us that MM knows his own mind, the next he is under pressure to run to the press - to show he cares? Get real. He's paid to do a job, we don't put him in a hard position, the combination of him, the team, and other club-related influences put him there. All we are saying is that he is no longer performing the way he was when he got us promoted, so perhaps we could consider that he is not the second coming to lead us into the future. No-one wants him hung, drawn and quartered, we are looking at the club, which is bigger than the person (as everyone keeps saying about various players that he appears to fall out with) He also says that things like phone-ins are not something he is interested in - so why would he be interested in a small percentage of fans who get up their own arses on a bloody website? We are entitled to moan, you are entitled to defend him, this group is the vehicle for that.

 

[dwayne]

Have any of you moaners realized that its probably you who is prompting McGhee to spell out his tactics to the press more than usual - just to show that he does care? Your continual whinging puts him in a very hard position!! Why don't you shut the f*** up? Have you ever managed a team and had to deal with a bunch of moaning supporters baying for your blood? how wuld you deal with it in order to keep management happy and keep your job?

To be fair, I have been consistant with my moaning if nothing else, going to the press about these things is the WRONG thing to do and I said the same thing when McCammon went on the radio. In my opinion, Mcghee has to ride the poor patch, keep his head down and remain poitive in the press, and if possible NOT name player targets as this is counter productive as well both to players and supporters, especially when we keep failing to bring people in.

Overall, I'm not saying that the media doesn't have its use (apologies for the double negative), I mean look at Mourhino's genius attack on other manager's and teams, it's underhand but it consolidates his own team and makes them stronger, ready for the battle. Mcghee's whining about his own players is devisive, how could it ever have a positive effect on the team as a whole?

 

[dwayne]

Funnily enough, the same way I manage staff now, the way I have been doing for almost 20 years. You don't need to be a football manager to be able to man-manage - and please don't give me the crap about knowing what it is like managing under stress - I think I have a pretty good idea! I would never publicise bustups within a work place either - going to the press to draw a line under it is the last thing on MM's mind - he knows exactly what he is doing when he goes to the paper.

One minute you are telling us that MM knows his own mind, the next he is under pressure to run to the press - to show he cares? Get real. He's paid to do a job, we don't put him in a hard position, the combination of him, the team, and other club-related influences put him there. All we are saying is that he is no longer performing the way he was when he got us promoted, so perhaps we could consider that he is not the second coming to lead us into the future. No-one wants him hung, drawn and quartered, we are looking at the club, which is bigger than the person (as everyone keeps saying about various players that he appears to fall out with) He also says that things like phone-ins are not something he is interested in - so why would he be interested in a small percentage of fans who get up their own arses on a bloody website? We are entitled to moan, you are entitled to defend him, this group is the vehicle for that.

brilliant

 

[Tricky Dicky]

I can't recall a single post that has said that McGhee has never made a mistake. I can recall plenty that say that McGhee should stay but for the life of me cannot think how that can be twisted to mean that he's not capable of making errors.
In fact, one of the things I like about McGhee is that he does hold up his hand and accept it when he's cocked up.

However, in the case of players whingeing because they're dropped, he's clearly in the right. He picks the team and while we can have debates about whether he's picked the right team, the players should accept it and not go throw their toys out of their prams. So far this season, Knight, Trolley and, now, FDM have behaved dreadfully and if they're not going to act like professional footballers then McGhee is right to kick them out of the club.

Compare with the attitude of OGH or Mayo who train harder in their determination to get back in the side. Or with Tank who, after being abused by all and sundry got himself fit and made himself almost indispensible (with plenty of help from McGhee). It's clear that players know where they stand with McGhee, train hard and you'll stand a chance, laze around and gripe and you're out. Sounds about right to me, I'd much rather have players prepared to fight to stay up.

I'd go along with that, well put Gwylan

 

[Icy Gull]

Funnily enough, the same way I manage staff now, the way I have been doing for almost 20 years.

Are your soldiers allowed to throw their toys out of the pram and cause unrest at crucial times? I somehow doubt it as they would face a court martial. Fortunately the consequences at a Championship club are not as dire, but I doubt you can run an army like a football club or vice versa. Or are you telling me soldiers are now allowed to bitch in public about their superiors?

 

[tedebear]

All we are saying is that he is no longer performing the way he was when he got us promoted, so perhaps we could consider that he is not the second coming to lead us into the future.

Herein lies the crux of the matter - you treat him differently as the team are now at the other end of the table!! I never said he was the second coming, never said he was the best man for the job - only that he IS in the job and WE have put him in a position where he feels the need to justify his decisions in the press as the fans are continually second guessing his decisions. Didn't see that happening when we were promoted!!

As you will know from your man-management experience - bad mouthing someone behind their back (in this case NSC which it has become obvious is the information centre for the press) is not a motivational tactic that you should employ. Usually backfires and in our case this is what is happening....

 

[GUNTER]

McGhee is being open and honest.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Whats the problem

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Of course we would all be delighted if we came up against a wall of silence, and no explanation as to why Leon was dropped or shipped off to Swansea.

To make an example of someone - Knight, Flo, Big Mac, Kuipers for behaving unprofessionally is essential to get people to pull together and repsect the gaffer.

The same people lambasting McGhee for "crying" to the papers, would be demanding answers, if we were not told a thing.

 

[dwayne]

The same people lambasting McGhee for "crying" to the papers, would be demanding answers, if we were not told a thing.

How can that be, we wouldn't know anything was wrong if Mcghee didn't go whining to the papers and the rumours on an internet site would remain rumours on an internet site.

 

[dougdeep]

How can that be, we wouldn't know anything was wrong if Mcghee didn't go whining to the papers and the rumours on an internet site would remain rumours on an internet site.

Our results would give us a clue.

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

Are your soldiers allowed to throw their toys out of the pram and cause unrest at crucial times? I somehow doubt it as they would face a court martial. Fortunately the consequences at a Championship club are not as dire, but I doubt you can run an army like a football club or vice versa. Or are you telling me soldiers are now allowed to bitch in public about their superiors?

No, but I would expect them to follow lines of complaint that are established, which includes solving problems internally - as has been seen, taking things to the media does no-one any favours, and leads to more unrest. We have also had recruiting problems in some areas because of these media stories, whether they are true or not. Granted, some of these means are not pretty, but at the end of the day it's what holds us together when it's needed. By isolating certain people, we end up with bullying and harassment, which is not good for any organisation.

You can only bitch in public if you are the outgoing First Sea Lord!

 

[Barrel of Fun]

How can that be, we wouldn't know anything was wrong if Mcghee didn't go whining to the papers and the rumours on an internet site would remain rumours on an internet site.

We would want to know why Leon had been sold quickly to Swansea.

Were people not quesitoning why Martin was on the bench?

The most famous example of the club not communicating with the fans was selling the Goldstone!

 

[Icy Gull]

How can that be, we wouldn't know anything was wrong if Mcghee didn't go whining to the papers and the rumours on an internet site would remain rumours on an internet site.

The only whining is from you, there is nothing in that piece that can be construed as whining