Or he goes on loan and gets his form back? You never know.
[Albion] Matt O Riley [26/08/24 - sings on a 5-year deal]
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Don’t get me wrong I like MOR. He comes across as a great pro and he was an absolute dynamo at Celtic.
I just think he is up against it here, as There is so much choice.
For better or worse, there is less need to be patient with an underperforming player.
Add the £11 million we spent on Casin, be lucky to see half of it back for both..
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RDZ was keen on the double pivot with Caicedo and Mackie then Baleba and WBG - tbh I thought we’d see the development of a CDM sweeper/CB role in front of a back 3 last season but with so many defenders injured it’s been a flash mob half the time let alone putting together anything other than a typical back 4!
I remember the St Pauli youtube videos, also you/us discussing what to expect. There was a free libero type CB with licence to advance upfield, covered by one of the pivots.
All Four Grounds
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Yes and no!
Yes, he is up against it but as the quality of the squad improves so are almost everyone and no patience is still required. What I am saying is that as we neither know which players are going to be sold nor what Hürzeler and the staff think of O’Riley we’re condemned to second guess circumstances which can change very fast. A transfer here and an injury there and suddenly the squad depth isn’t quite so impressive. Look how many injuries we have had over the last two seasons. But what we do know is that Tony Bloom only sells players when offers meet the club’s valuation. What is that? According to transfermarkt it is only about £18.54m (converting from €22) which means he has dropped in value from the £25m we paid Celtic. But is that the club’s algorithm says he will be worth based on the estimation of his potential? Against that you and others are suggesting the club might sell him at a loss (and perhaps have to pay Celtic a sell on fee) rather than give him time to improve.
If the club thinks there is a chance he is going to get better (both on terms of contributing to the first team and in terms of his transfer price) they simply won’t sell him this summer unless another club meets that potential valuation. The potential decline in transfer by not selling now is pretty marginal because £18.54 is so low anyway. The only other reason the club might get rid on the cheap would be if O’Riley turned out to have an unsettling impact on the rest of the team but that is really unlikely.
Terry Butcher Tribute Act
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On what basis can anyone confidently say that though?
Stick the words "could be" in there and maybe you've a point
GT49er
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Selling for £18.5M now might be the best chance of breaking even - I can't imagine he's on less than £40K a week (£2M a year), probably more, so saving on four years wages would be worth £8M quid. Add that to the £18.5M paid, and that almost counts as an accounting profit!Yes and no!
But what we do know is that Tony Bloom only sells players when offers meet the club’s valuation. What is that? According to transfermarkt it is only about £18.54m (converting from €22) which means he has dropped in value from the £25m we paid Celtic. But is that the club’s algorithm says he will be worth based on the estimation of his potential? Against that you and others are suggesting the club might sell him at a loss (and perhaps have to pay Celtic a sell on fee) rather than give him time to improve.
If the club thinks there is a chance he is going to get better (both on terms of contributing to the first team and in terms of his transfer price) they simply won’t sell him this summer unless another club meets that potential valuation. The potential decline in transfer by not selling now is pretty marginal because £18.54 is so low anyway. The only other reason the club might get rid on the cheap would be if O’Riley turned out to have an unsettling impact on the rest of the team but that is really unlikely.
All Four Grounds
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But if the algorithm still says O'Riley is going to be worth quite a lot more then breaking even or a modest profit isn’t going to tempt the club into a hasty sell. It’s not as it is in need of relative shall change because over the last two seasons it has made £200m profit:
This suggests that the Brighton hierarchy are very happy with the squad we have and as there is no pressure to sell any player why would longstanding transfer policy be ripped up just to get rid of O’Riley? The same reason we bought him still apply: he has got potential.
BrightonLoyal
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He’s not up to the standard, sell and move on
Some people on this thread are SO weird.
It's his first season, he's been ravaged by injury, has masses of competition for places and yet is still getting game time despite being out of position. He might yet not be good enough, but he absolutely should not be written off after the season he's had. If he gets sold, there already is a queue of clubs interested apparently, and he still started 6 of the last 8 games despite Gruda and Gomez being fit.
Hurzeler said himself that only Minteh and Rutter have adapted to the Premier League, maybe you can add Weiffer to that now and he's only played slightly more minutes that O'Riley.
Unlike some, I still hope he comes back next season after a full pre-season with us and does the business.
It's his first season, he's been ravaged by injury, has masses of competition for places and yet is still getting game time despite being out of position. He might yet not be good enough, but he absolutely should not be written off after the season he's had. If he gets sold, there already is a queue of clubs interested apparently, and he still started 6 of the last 8 games despite Gruda and Gomez being fit.
Hurzeler said himself that only Minteh and Rutter have adapted to the Premier League, maybe you can add Weiffer to that now and he's only played slightly more minutes that O'Riley.
Unlike some, I still hope he comes back next season after a full pre-season with us and does the business.
When people talk about luxiury Matt's lack of opportunities there is plenty of reference to the emergence of Ayari and a general belief that Baleba is an automatic pick. Just for the record I agree on Baleba now, but going into last season I was far from convinced. He was inconsistent some of his decision making was diabolical and he was too easy to attack on his right side, due to poor technique. I would argue that it is only with hindsight that the MoR signing looks questionable.
We have seen plenty of players turn in a much better second season, so stepping up is not out of the question. Trossard was a prime example of a player able to develop the upper body strength to transform his game and whilst you can't transform speed of movement you can sharpen up technique.
MoR like a lot of players is very one footed and left footers get called out for this far more than righties. he will often choose to take the ball on the outside of his left foot, rather than the instep of his right foot. This is something plenty of players do, but I think he needs to adjust his technique to take the ball much earlier. Watch where Mitoma takes the ball on the outside of his right foot compared to MoR and I think you will see the difference.
I think the outcome is not down to us. If MoR wants to be more than a luxury player here he needs to develop his game. If he thinks he is under appreciated and could do better elsewhere, that is his choice provided someone else is prepared to meet the club's valuation.
We have seen plenty of players turn in a much better second season, so stepping up is not out of the question. Trossard was a prime example of a player able to develop the upper body strength to transform his game and whilst you can't transform speed of movement you can sharpen up technique.
MoR like a lot of players is very one footed and left footers get called out for this far more than righties. he will often choose to take the ball on the outside of his left foot, rather than the instep of his right foot. This is something plenty of players do, but I think he needs to adjust his technique to take the ball much earlier. Watch where Mitoma takes the ball on the outside of his right foot compared to MoR and I think you will see the difference.
I think the outcome is not down to us. If MoR wants to be more than a luxury player here he needs to develop his game. If he thinks he is under appreciated and could do better elsewhere, that is his choice provided someone else is prepared to meet the club's valuation.
I agree with this. But the completion for a place is massive, he still needs to get game time. And it's only getting harder to claim a starting place in the team, I believe that Hinsh has added the No.10/ACM role to his repertoire with his outstanding game against the Spuds.
Hürzeler has a lot of thinking to do over the close season. O'Reilly could be absolutely brilliant for us but then so could a lot of other players. They can't all play.
I think everyone hopes that….
It’s not weird having a different opinion, isn’t that what makes NSC so good?
Gabbiano
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With O'Riley he has a track record of being the best player in Scotland and performing well in the Champions League. He'll retain some of that value, maybe not £25m.
severnside gull
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Are we missing his own reference to “personal problems” and their impact on form (and also on his rather running off at the mouth to the press)? Hopefully the club and his friend/family are aware of what’s behind that and are supporting him and once he’s had a break and time to get his head in a better place it could all be very different.
Can’t believe people are seemingly writing him off so quickly! I thought he has looked good considering he’s been hampered by injury, he’s very dynamic, athletic and finds spaces well. I think mistake has been having him in the 10 role, he’s an 8 all day in my mind, if he can improve his defensive game he’ll be one hell of a player.
Dynamic and athletic, now, if you were describing Baleba!