[News] Matt Hancock.

[The Clamp]

It was a very odd thread to put it mildly.

https://www.northstandchat.com/showthread.php?375010-Sir-Oswald-Mosley&highlight=Oswald+Mosely

Oh! That ****. Yeah. Racist wally.

 

[The Clamp]

Hancocks is one of the oddest people I’ve ever seen on telly. Laughing about dead people a d lockdown and then trying to pretend he was crying. He should have been punched in the face there and then and told to show some ****ing respect.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Some American states had the same policy and they got hammered as well.

If there was proper infection control in care homes and hospital, our deaths would be massively reduced.

That’s on Hancock and NHS leaders.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

You do seem to only ever “add balance” on one side though

As most of these threads are usually a pile on against the Government it's only one side that ever needs balancing!

There's plenty to give HMG a kicking for ... but trying to pretend the UK vaccine success story is nothing to do with HMG is patently absurd.

 

[The Clamp]

As most of these threads are usually a pile on against the Government it's only one side that ever needs balancing!

There's plenty to give HMG a kicking for ... trying to pretend the UK vaccine success story is nothing to do with HMG is patently absurd.

The government are shit.

 

[trueblue]

Yes there have lies and more lies and if it was Labour it would be no different. I speak from a bit of knowledge on as Mrs LBG works in a local care home and in the early stages of Covid people were admitted and staff with no track and trace let alone testing. Now its all very simple with hindsight to give Hancock a kicking,but what you have done ? Nhs at the time short of beds let alone staff,ambulances waiting to get into a hospital with seriously sick people. PLEASE remember before you reply what would have done without HINDSIGHT ?

If only the virus had already been sweeping across Europe before it hit the UK, killing people in their thousands, particularly in care homes. I mean, how was Matt Hancock supposed to cope? It's not like he could read about, hear about or see people dying for weeks before it really took hold here, and I bet those scientific advisors did absolutely nothing to suggest there was a risk. Poor, poor Matt. He was so busy asking his mates if they might fancy learning some new skills in a hurry 'cos he could make it worth their while that he really didn't have a second left to watch the news. And working out all those lies about PPE takes time, you know. Particularly when you've got to practise your compassionate face in the mirror for 6 hours a day.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Who set up the Vaccine task force? Who provided the funding for accelerated research and pre-ordering numerous vaccine types at the earliest opportunity? Who appointed Kate Bingham? Who signs off on their decisions? There wouldn't be much of a rollout success if we didn't have enough vaccines ..

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-launches-vaccine-taskforce-to-combat-coronavirus

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/kate-bingham-appointed-chair-of-uk-vaccine-taskforce

And before some numpty comes along to completely misrepresent this post, I am not claiming HMG is above criticism in numerous areas ... just trying to add a little balance.

And who do you think told them to do this, Witty & Valance? Or do you think it was some sort of genius call by Johnson & Hancock?

For what’s it’s worth, as a Country, we ‘do’ vaccines. We were world leading before Covid and we’ll be world leading after Covid. Any Government would have taken the advice of Witty & co. They were handing a blank cheque to Oxford University, not Hancock’s sister’s ****ing shredding company.

As Cummings said (and myself in March last year on the Coronavirus thread), we should have copied EXACTLY the initial pandemic response in south East Asian countries like Taiwan & Singapore. Sadly for those countries, they weren’t able to copy our vaccine program and are stuck in lockdown for the foreseeable future.

I do praise the Government for not ****ing up vaccines like they did with most other things (Sunak’s Corbyn style spend, spend, spend economic measures aside). At the end of the day, there are tens of thousands of excess lives lost that you can pin on the ineptitude of Johnson & Hancock, neither are fit to be in Government.

 

[trueblue]

They had just converted places like the O2 Arena and other big venues in every city into makeshift hospital around the country.

Did no one ever think. Let's use them as a half way house so to speak instead of releasing them on vulnerable Care Homes.

That's not a Rocket Science Idea !

After all they ended up not even using any of those venues at all.

Bed showrooms. A stunt to make it look like they were doing something. They couldn't staff them anyway as, funnily enough, the hospitals needed all the doctors and nurses they could get. Maybe if they'd requisitioned private hospitals rather than handing them fortunes for doing f*** all, it might have ben useful. My wife is an NHS nurse who's not had an unscheduled day off throughout. She has former colleagues working in the private sector who were being sent home because there was nothing to do.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

If only the virus had already been sweeping across Europe before it hit the UK, killing people in their thousands, particularly in care homes. I mean, how was Matt Hancock supposed to cope? It's not like he could read about, hear about or see people dying for weeks before it really took hold here, and I bet those scientific advisors did absolutely nothing to suggest there was a risk. Poor, poor Matt. He was so busy asking his mates if they might fancy learning some new skills in a hurry 'cos he could make it worth their while that he really didn't have a second left to watch the news. And working out all those lies about PPE takes time, you know. Particularly when you've got to practise your compassionate face in the mirror for 6 hours a day.

Worrying there was an admission by someone on sage/modelling teams saying they didn’t know how care homes worked, so didn’t see the issue in doing what they did.

Via BBC

But Dr Ian Hall, of SPI-M, admits models did not reflect how care homes actually work, or identify the serious risk posed by agency staff working in different homes.
"The failure of those models, I guess, was that we didn't know how connected the social care settings were with the community," he says.
"As modellers we didn't know - I'm sure there are lots of academics and policy-makers out there, that could have told us this, if we'd asked them."


And they seem to back the choices made

There is going to be a lot of criticism of the scientists - because it's easy to have hindsight.
"It's easy to say if only we'd done this a week earlier we'd have saved 5,000, 10,000, 15,000, 20,000 lives. But if you look at where we were in February, would you really have made these decisions any differently? I don't think you would have."
Those are the words of Prof Calum Semple of the University of Liverpool, one of the key scientists advising the government on Covid-19.


Add that to Hancock being useless and we have the deaths we do

 

[beorhthelm]

Bed showrooms. A stunt to make it look like they were doing something. They couldn't staff them anyway as, funnily enough, the hospitals needed all the doctors and nurses they could get. Maybe if they'd requisitioned private hospitals rather than handing them fortunes for doing f*** all, it might have ben useful. My wife is an NHS nurse who's not had an unscheduled day off throughout. She has former colleagues working in the private sector who were being sent home because there was nothing to do.

they did requisition them, they still need the medical and support staff all paying. the question we need to ask is what use did they make of them? could have been running through the backlog of routine business.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

And who do you think told them to do this, Witty & Valance? Or do you think it was some sort of genius call by Johnson & Hancock?

For what’s it’s worth, as a Country, we ‘do’ vaccines. We were world leading before Covid and we’ll be world leading after Covid. Any Government would have taken the advice of Witty & co. They were handing a blank cheque to Oxford University, not Hancock’s sister’s ****ing shredding company.

As Cummings said (and myself in March last year on the Coronavirus thread), we should have copied EXACTLY the initial pandemic response in south East Asian countries like Taiwan & Singapore. Sadly for those countries, they weren’t able to copy our vaccine program and are stuck in lockdown for the foreseeable future.

I do praise the Government for not ****ing up vaccines like they did with most other things (Sunak’s Corbyn style spend, spend, spend economic measures aside). At the end of the day, there are tens of thousands of excess lives lost that you can pin on the ineptitude of Johnson & Hancock, neither are fit to be in Government.

They get slammed for not following expert advice/'the science' but no credit for accepting and acting swiftly on expert advice then.

We do vaccines well but the situation we found ourselves in was unprecedented. It's so easy and shows obvious bias to suggest all the right decisions any government would have made and all the bad ones are just down to this one. The simple truth is we were ahead of the curve on vaccines (sourced from numerous companies) because the Government made the right calls at the right time.

Another thing we excel at in this country is having numerous online pandemic experts who would have made all the right decisions at the right time

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

They get slammed for not following expert advice/'the science' but no credit for accepting and acting swiftly on expert advice then.

We do vaccines well but the situation we found ourselves in was unprecedented. It's so easy and shows obvious bias to suggest all the right decisions any government would have made and all the bad ones are just down to this one. The simple truth is we were ahead of the curve on vaccines (sourced from numerous companies) because the Government made the right calls at the right time.

Hmgov was caught like a rabbit in the headlights in March/April 2020. No hindsight needed. You only have to look at the main coronavirus thread from that period to see way more general common sense being shown by yer NSC man in the street than by hmgov in areas such as closing the borders, protecting care homes and arguing against herd immunity. Our elected representatives were shamefully paralysed by inaction

 

[drew]

They get slammed for not following expert advice/'the science' but no credit for accepting and acting swiftly on expert advice then.

We do vaccines well but the situation we found ourselves in was unprecedented. It's so easy and shows obvious bias to suggest all the right decisions any government would have made and all the bad ones are just down to this one. The simple truth is we were ahead of the curve on vaccines (sourced from numerous companies) because the Government made the right calls at the right time.

Another thing we excel at in this country is having numerous online pandemic experts who would have made all the right decisions at the right time

Sorry, can you just remind when the Government acted swiftly on scientific advice? Was it when they allowed Cheltenham and and Liverpool game, was it when went into the first lockdown, or maybe you think it was when they followed the advice in Sept and lockdown began in Nov, or maybe it was when they gave people false hope about Christmas and then the third lockdown lasting over 100 days.

 

[Wardy's twin]

there wasnt a single source or direction of advise, too easy to overlook actions were based on advice, just not what people think should have been done. our apparently now credible witness Cummings told us this, when he criticised the department and agencies controlling response that wouldn't do as he wanted.




i have heard there was a plan to have designated hospitals for covid, others to regular operations. it was resisted from within department as too disruptive to staff and patients, possibly with good reason that you'd shuffle infected around hospitals. theres a lot of good ideas with hindsight.

Hospital staff were 'disrupted' anyway as many were moved from backroom projects to front line and in some cases moved to different cities.

Regards hindsight , think you are forgetting some of the discussion e.g. regards masks and closing borders at the time and in the case of borders and travel the mistake was made several times.

Re-opening universities was another predictable error , moving people around in big numbers only for them to do the courses online so the only winners were land lords. Brighton's hotspot was the falmer/university area and it had a much greater R rate than rest of teh city.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

127,000 UK deaths. 40,000 of which were in carehomes. The "ring of protection" Hancock banged on about was proved to be a complete myth.

This is a manslaughter charge of which the government should be held directly accountable to. No wonder that shambling blond "ruffle my hair" prick wants to kick the enquiry into the long grass till next year. What a disgusting shambles caused by a bunch of unaccountable charlatans. They truly are utter filth.

Well said and totally true.
I'm sick of this hindsight bollox too, they were warned and advised about many things, many times but dithered and carried it out 2 or 3 weeks later at a huge cost.
Hindsight was made up by the childish Tories to make Labour look bad as they tried to wriggle off the hook and its no good saying that it would have been the same under Labour because nobody knows.
Hancock is a drip, with his Deputy Dawg hanging face, a barefaced liar and a terrible poker player, his eyes give it all away, when he has good news he bounds onto the stage with his stupid happy face on and gives it the look how great we are, but when asked about a fact that they have got wrong he panics and goes on the defensive, blaming everyone else including the science.
Manslaugter is what it is, the enquiry should be very soon, no wonder they don't want it.
What a time to have Johnson and Hancock in charge, totally useless and the cause of thousands of deaths through there total incompetance.
Austerity, Brexit and now, far more importantly Covid.
What a shower of crooked, lying shite they are.

 

[Wardy's twin]

Well said and totally true.
I'm sick of this hindsight bollox too, they were warned and advised about many things, many times but dithered and carried it out 2 or 3 weeks later at a huge cost.
Hindsight was made up by the childish Tories to make Labour look bad as they tried to wriggle off the hook and its no good saying that it would have been the same under Labour because nobody knows.
Hancock is a drip, with his Deputy Dawg hanging face, a barefaced liar and a terrible poker player, his eyes give it all away, when he has good news he bounds onto the stage with his stupid happy face on and gives it the look how great we are, but when asked about a fact that they have got wrong he panics and goes on the defensive, blaming everyone else including the science.
Manslaugter is what it is, the enquiry should be very soon, no wonder they don't want it.
What a time to have Johnson and Hancock in charge, totally useless and the cause of thousands of deaths through there total incompetance.
Austerity, Brexit and now, far more importantly Covid.
What a shower of crooked, lying shite they are.

agree totally....

 

[Hugo Rune]

Well said and totally true.
I'm sick of this hindsight bollox too, they were warned and advised about many things, many times but dithered and carried it out 2 or 3 weeks later at a huge cost.
Hindsight was made up by the childish Tories to make Labour look bad as they tried to wriggle off the hook and its no good saying that it would have been the same under Labour because nobody knows.
Hancock is a drip, with his Deputy Dawg hanging face, a barefaced liar and a terrible poker player, his eyes give it all away, when he has good news he bounds onto the stage with his stupid happy face on and gives it the look how great we are, but when asked about a fact that they have got wrong he panics and goes on the defensive, blaming everyone else including the science.
Manslaugter is what it is, the enquiry should be very soon, no wonder they don't want it.
What a time to have Johnson and Hancock in charge, totally useless and the cause of thousands of deaths through there total incompetance.
Austerity, Brexit and now, far more importantly Covid.
What a shower of crooked, lying shite they are.

Well said.

As Cummings confirmed, Johnson needs chaos and incompetence below him in order to exert his authority. He fills he cabinet with untouchables whom he can rely on to take the ‘stick’ as he tries to muddle through hoping for another term in office.

Let’s try and take the politics out of this. With Hunt, Javid or Stewart at the helm, I honestly believe we’d not have much more than 80,000 lives lost. To any lover of history (which Johnson is one) the advantage of being an island has always helped us in a National crisis. This advantage was criminally left untapped as Cummings spoke about Johnson’s determination to keep borders open at all times. Lessons will never be learned as again, we were slow to block travellers from India resulting in the new variant being seeded over 100 times and covid infection rates on the rise again.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

But some people would rather hold an imaginary Jeremy Corbyn government to account while ignoring the actual government’s monumental failings. The state of some people

 

[Wardy's twin]

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But some people would rather hold an imaginary Jeremy Corbyn government to account while ignoring the actual government’s monumental failings. The state of some people

spot on

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

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But some people would rather hold an imaginary Jeremy Corbyn government to account while ignoring the actual government’s monumental failings. The state of some people

I always roll my eyes when I see "Fantasy Corbyn PM" being played.

Lol.