Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[Thunder Bolt]

according to Prof Edmunds the deaths through autumn could have been cut with a full lock down. not due to eat out scheme, something the Prof confirmed, who didnt like how it looked. twitter and selective quoting have made people's minds up, despite the data and actual testimony.

The tweet or Xpost shows the WhatsApp messages verbatim. Sunak was called Dr Death.

 

[beorhthelm]

The tweet or Xpost shows the WhatsApp messages verbatim. Sunak was called Dr Death.

not about that name. its about how easily it is to give misinformation. the Prof said one thing but what you read on twitter is different.
since we've come to it, where did you get the 20-25k number from? that is the number of all deaths through autumn, Prof Edmunds was responding to question about proposed lockdown in late September, he says some of those could have been avoided. not related to eat out, he's even quoted in Guardian article saying that didnt cause rise in cases. the clever positioning of one tweet alongside another with bits of information steers to a conclusion.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

not about that name. its about how easily it is to give misinformation. the Prof said one thing but what you read on twitter is different.
since we've come to it, where did you get the 20-25k number from? that is the number of all deaths through autumn, Prof Edmunds was responding to question about proposed lockdown in late September, he says some of those could have been avoided. not related to eat out, he's even quoted in Guardian article saying that didnt cause rise in cases. the clever positioning of one tweet alongside another with bits of information steers to a conclusion.

Covid inquiry: Sunak called Dr Death by top scientist

The comment was made in a WhatsApp exchange after the public had been encouraged to "eat out" to help the economy.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Brian Fantana]

Covid inquiry: Sunak called Dr Death by top scientist

The comment was made in a WhatsApp exchange after the public had been encouraged to "eat out" to help the economy.

www.bbc.co.uk

I think the counter argument to this is that the scheme had a positive impact for a lot of people who were suffering mentally through the pandemic. Being able to go out and eat in restaurants, and just generally do something akin to normality after those first few months of restrictions, was an absolute godsend. I say this is as someone who was very much on the brink mentally during the pandemic, and particularly the early part of it.

From a purely selfish point of view, that lessening of certain restrictions probably saved my life.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I think the counter argument to this is that the scheme had a positive impact for a lot of people who were suffering mentally through the pandemic. Being able to go out and eat in restaurants, and just generally do something akin to normality after those first few months of restrictions, was an absolute godsend. I say this is as someone who was very much on the brink mentally during the pandemic, and particularly the early part of it.

From a purely selfish point of view, that lessening of certain restrictions probably saved my life.

Being able to access takeaways could've done the same thing. You could even sit on the beach and eat a takeaway, and still kept the catering industry going.

 

[Brian Fantana]

Being able to access takeaways could've done the same thing. You could even sit on the beach and eat a takeaway, and still kept the catering industry going.

That misses the point that the restaurant experience, socialising with friends and family in that setting, was something that was a really positive step for a lot of people. Just something normal.

It was something that really helped me, anyway.

 

[Weststander]

So now we should’ve had more full lockdowns.

Forgetting the adverse effects on a generation of kids, still discussed in great detail by experts/parents on R5/R4/LBC. The children’s mental health crisis that started in March 2020. Lost; confidence, structure to life, social skills. Vast numbers of parents have now in 2023 pulled their kids from schools for good, to end the daily sadness.

Not to mention the cost of furlough.

Remember the whole. Not just one cohort.

 

[LamieRobertson]

I think the counter argument to this is that the scheme had a positive impact for a lot of people who were suffering mentally through the pandemic. Being able to go out and eat in restaurants, and just generally do something akin to normality after those first few months of restrictions, was an absolute godsend. I say this is as someone who was very much on the brink mentally during the pandemic, and particularly the early part of it.

From a purely selfish point of view, that lessening of certain restrictions probably saved my life.

Very good point ..you were not alone in this so definitely not selfish

 

[LamieRobertson]

So now we should’ve had more full lockdowns.

Forgetting the adverse effects on a generation of kids, still discussed in great detail by experts/parents on R5/R4/LBC. The children’s mental health crisis that started in March 2020. Lost; confidence, structure to life, social skills. Vast numbers of parents have now in 2023 pulled their kids from schools for good, to end the daily sadness.

Not to mention the cost of furlough.

Remember the whole. Not just one cohort.

Agreed and that’s one aspect ..incredible isn’t it

 

[Weststander]

Agreed and that’s one aspect ..incredible isn’t it

MrsW was seconded to the Covid wards, having to wear the full pandemic clobber. The critically ill were far more often than not unvaccinated and/or very unhealthy so vulnerable. I know Covid deniers who passed away.

In hindsight the restrictions were too tough, cruel eg rules on socialising outside, schools closed at the drop of a hat, too many business sectors forced to close.

I hope the enquiry includes analysis of these points.

 

[beorhthelm]

MrsW was seconded to the Covid wards, having to wear the full pandemic clobber. The critically ill were far more often than not unvaccinated and/or very unhealthy so vulnerable. I know Covid deniers who passed away.

In hindsight the restrictions were too tough, cruel eg rules on socialising outside, schools closed at the drop of a hat, too many business sectors forced to close.

I hope the enquiry includes analysis of these points.

the Inquiry probably will cover this, much of it is gathering testimony and opinions of people invovled. trouble is those reporting and sharing the testimony are very selective about what they report. unless you wade through hours of Q&A each day you'll get the 280 character version from biased observers (both those that say should have been more and those saying there should have been none).

 

[Weststander]

the Inquiry probably will cover this, much of it is gathering testimony and opinions of people invovled. trouble is those reporting and sharing the testimony are very selective about what they report. unless you wade through hours of Q&A each day you'll get the 280 character version from biased observers (both those that say should have been more and those saying there should have been none).

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[RandyWanger]

Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine has been branded “defective” Claims efficacy, vastly overstated High Court test case

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine has been branded “defective” Claims efficacy, vastly overstated High Court test case

I think we have to be very careful, the vaccine clearly saved lives who were at risk.

What I think should be questioned is the full on March towards vaccine passports/vaccinating kids/balance of vaccine risk v illness, which now looks like it could be based on flawed information.

This is the stuff an inquiry should be looking at, not who said what, these people won't be near power again anyway.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

the Inquiry probably will cover this, much of it is gathering testimony and opinions of people invovled. trouble is those reporting and sharing the testimony are very selective about what they report. unless you wade through hours of Q&A each day you'll get the 280 character version from biased observers (both those that say should have been more and those saying there should have been none).

It's a waste of time, I've no time for those that plunged us into endless restrictions for 2 years especially Hancock.

However what lessons are we learning?
All that is being questioned is if we didnt lock down earlier and harder, alongside a bunch of bellends calling others names

Waste of money

 

[Weststander]

It's a waste of time, I've no time for those that plunged us into endless restrictions for 2 years especially Hancock.

However what lessons are we learning?
All that is being questioned is if we didnt lock down earlier and harder, alongside a bunch of bellends calling others names

Waste of money

The results won’t and almost can’t look at the big picture. Undoubted nursing home deaths in spring 2020 will be the media focus, whilst how do you balance that against the damage to mental health. Friends had hitherto confident parents circa 80 years old who lost all confidence due to locked indoors loneliness, they lost the will to exercise, lost optimism, aged 10 years in 2, then faded away. The unnatural separation of millions of kids from their peers, kids in toxic home environments were left 365 with their adult tormentors, no respite at school or out and about.

 

[LamieRobertson]

It's a waste of time, I've no time for those that plunged us into endless restrictions for 2 years especially Hancock.

However what lessons are we learning?
All that is being questioned is if we didnt lock down earlier and harder, alongside a bunch of bellends calling others names

Waste of

Inquisition rather than enquiry with rather expensive lawyers coining it in

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

The results won’t and almost can’t look at the big picture. Undoubted nursing home deaths in spring 2020 will be the media focus, whilst how do you balance that against the damage to mental health. Friends had hitherto confident parents circa 80 years old who lost all confidence due to locked indoors loneliness, they lost the will to exercise, lost optimism, aged 10 years in 2, then faded away. The unnatural separation of millions of kids from their peers, kids in toxic home environments were left 365 with their adult tormentors, no respite at school or out and about.

Just off the top of my head - they could look at

Why we are we so unhealthy as a county
The fraud / PPE contracts
Guidance around vaccines
Impact on schools - what could have been done differently
Why we stopped all treatment in NHS - the excess deaths now
Care homes


Doesn't even start on the costing of Lockdowns etc

I can't be alone in being bored of the partying stories being brought up in the hearings.

No mention of the big story today, the government / Sage told data and charts already wrong, yet used them in updates

 

[Weststander]

Inquisition rather than enquiry with rather expensive lawyers coining it in

Did you see that Sturgeon and her cabinet deleted all their pandemic Whatsapp messages on official phones.

That’s the way to go.

 

[Weststander]

Just off the top of my head - they could look at

Why we are we so unhealthy as a county
The fraud / PPE contracts
Guidance around vaccines
Impact on schools - what could have been done differently
Why we stopped all treatment in NHS - the excess deaths now
Care homes


Doesn't even start on the costing of Lockdowns etc

I can't be alone in being bored of the partying stories being brought up in the hearings.

No mention of the big story today, the government / Sage told data and charts already wrong, yet used them in updates

Spot on about the nations poor health. A taboo subject, people talk the talk when it suits them about the obesity and junk food crisis (it’s all true), but are physicians and scientists allowed to relay the effect of that on vulnerability to Covid. Mrs W on Covid wards on the front line early on saw a pattern of those severely ill.