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[TV] King Danny Dyer



stewart12

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Jan 16, 2019
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Liked his interview on The Assembly. Came across well unlike Lineker who was monosyballic. Honest about his rehab. Not really my cup of tea normally but thought him and Tennant were good on that one programme.
Absolutely love that programme. Danny Dyer came across as very warm and personable as did Tennant. Very little pretense to either man and you can tell they went into it with their eyes open and with humility as did the lass from Little Mix. As a Scot I found it very emotional when they sang Sunshine on Leith to Tennant. I think Lineker found it quite challenging but grew into it towards the end but was clearly uncomfortable at the start.
 




JBizzle

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Apr 18, 2010
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Smart guy, Danny Dyer. He knows it’s all a character and he has fun with it.

And occasionally comes out with something very funny.

He doesn’t often do stuff I’d watch but he’s alright I reckon.
I'm on this track. Mr Big Stuff (for which he just won a Bafta) was enjoyable, and he was very good in Rivals too. Ultimately, he has his niche and leans into it hard, so fair play to him for making the most of it.
 


GT49er

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Feb 1, 2009
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I know it's all an act, the whole cockerney geezer personnae, but, the programme tonight was laugh out loud funny in p!aces. They should have told him about King William Rufus, who met his demise by having a red hot poker inserted in his 'bottle' (authentic cockerney rhyming slang)
No they shouldn't - it didn't happen. The red hot poker was inserted into a different person altogether.
 
















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Danny Dyer in the park Lewes Road / Robinson Road Newhaven from the film The Great Ecstasy of Robert Carmichael (2005), not a good film but mostly filmed in Newhaven.

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GT49er

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He was almost certainly murdered one way or another. For a number of obvious reasons, there's absolutely no evidence that he had a red hot iron poker shoved up his arse, and there are good reasons to think it's a nonsense story made up several years later.
There really aren't. Did it really happen? More than likely, given his....err....lifestyle. Balance of probability applies.
Jumping back a few posts, I'm pretty sure I've been to the site where William II was killed (by an arrow), and in my recollection it's very much just a clearing with a plinth in it that may or may not be somewhere near where he died. Apparently the reaction of everybody present was just to leave him and ride off as quickly as possible.
I've been to the room where it happened too (again allegedly, but convincingly). You can no more disprove it than you can disprove that the landings on the moon were real (or prove it - but again, balance of probability prevails).
 


Pavilionaire

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He was almost certainly murdered one way or another. For a number of obvious reasons, there's absolutely no evidence that he had a red hot iron poker shoved up his arse, and there are good reasons to think it's a nonsense story made up several years later.

Jumping back a few posts, I'm pretty sure I've been to the site where William II was killed (by an arrow), and in my recollection it's very much just a clearing with a plinth in it that may or may not be somewhere near where he died. Apparently the reaction of everybody present was just to leave him and ride off as quickly as possible.
The House of Normandy certainly knew how to die in mysterious ways. Rufus's young brother Henry I rules for 35 years but died eating "a surfeit of lampreys".
 








Sid and the Sharknados

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There really aren't. Did it really happen? More than likely, given his....err....lifestyle. Balance of probability applies.

I've been to the room where it happened too (again allegedly, but convincingly). You can no more disprove it than you can disprove that the landings on the moon were real (or prove it - but again, balance of probability prevails).
The whole "poker up the bum" thing was first mentioned about 10years after he died. It doesn't make sense in context as he was killed after a number of rebellions (that he had no real part in) aimed at restoring him to the throne, not because of anything directly relating to his relationship with Piers Gaveston or any other man.

It does make a lot more sense as something that chroniclers a few years later would make up as a reference to his relationship with Gaveston.

There is, to put it bluntly, absolutely no evidence that it happened and every reason to think it was made up, which is pretty much the universal view of modern historians. I can imagine that the tour guides at Berkely Castle are disappointed by this and choose to brush over it.
 






GT49er

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The whole "poker up the bum" thing was first mentioned about 10years after he died. It doesn't make sense in context as he was killed after a number of rebellions (that he had no real part in) aimed at restoring him to the throne, not because of anything directly relating to his relationship with Piers Gaveston or any other man.

It does make a lot more sense as something that chroniclers a few years later would make up as a reference to his relationship with Gaveston.

There is, to put it bluntly, absolutely no evidence that it happened and every reason to think it was made up, which is pretty much the universal view of modern historians. I can imagine that the tour guides at Berkely Castle are disappointed by this and choose to brush over it.
No, there is no such 'every reason'. I'd like to hear some good reason to suggest it wasn't made up. No takers? Oh dear..................
 


Sid and the Sharknados

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No, there is no such 'every reason'. I'd like to hear some good reason to suggest it wasn't made up. No takers? Oh dear..................
Other than it first being mentioned about 10years later?

Or the inherent implausibility of it as a method of murdering somebody? I mean, it'd work, obviously. But it's a lot fussier than the more likely stangulation/smothering and much more likely to lead to discovery either during or afterwards.

Or the absence of any good reason why they'd choose to kill him that way?

It's just a colourful story. You may as well hitch yourself to the historical accuracy of a Robin Hood film.

Incidentally, if you want some really prime Edward II nonsense, there's yet another theory that he survived, escaped and was kept in hiding by Roger Mortimer, the guy who'd been keeping him imprisoned and who pretty much everybody thinks had him killed. :lolol:
 


rippleman

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Oct 18, 2011
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Other than it first being mentioned about 10years later?

Or the inherent implausibility of it as a method of murdering somebody? I mean, it'd work, obviously. But it's a lot fussier than the more likely stangulation/smothering and much more likely to lead to discovery either during or afterwards.

Or the absence of any good reason why they'd choose to kill him that way?

It's just a colourful story. You may as well hitch yourself to the historical accuracy of a Robin Hood film.

Incidentally, if you want some really prime Edward II nonsense, there's yet another theory that he survived, escaped and was kept in hiding by Roger Mortimer, the guy who'd been keeping him imprisoned and who pretty much everybody thinks had him killed. :lolol:
Nonsense or plausible historical evidence?

I recommend to you:


Which at Appendix 2 sets out all the evidence that Edward II was alive well after he was supposed to have had suffered the "poker incident".

It's a good read; enjoy!
 




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