Just to clarify - Lord Bracknell, Atilla or anyone really...

[Storer68]

But there are no new sites in the ones he wants to re-examine:

Brighton Station
Brighton Greyhound Stadium
shoreham Harbour
Sheepcote VAlley
Toad's hole Valley
Waterhall
Withdean


Of these, Brighton Station, Brighton Greyhound Stadium, Waterhall and Withdean can be immediately discarded as failing at least one of the criteria set

shoreham harbour, sheepcote Valley are very weak on environmental and development cost criteria (not unworkable as a lsolution in th long term but definitely unviable in the short term)

Previous planning applications for THV have already failed, so that seems a non runner

which leaves us ....................................................

Which leaves where?

 

[London Irish]

I presume that any NIMBYS for the 7 sites in question must make their objections known now for this new enquiary. I can't see the Albion making things difficult for them.

It'll be odd fighting a joint campaign with all those Little Withdeaner Nimbies Do I have to go and look for some bats hanging round the Sportsman?

 

[Turkey]

I'll look for a dodo then!

 

[London Irish]

shoreham harbour, sheepcote Valley are very weak on environmental and development cost criteria (not unworkable as a lsolution in th long term but definitely unviable in the short term)

Prescott has saved our arses by putting in the bit about development costs. He could easily have said its up to us as a private company to fund the transport infrastructure of our business, as he would to any supermarket or housing developer in a similar situation. But he appears to have made a special case for us because of who we are. That's why Prescott has played such a blinder today.

 

[Turkey]

John Prescott Football Genius

 

[beorhthelm]

I presume that any NIMBYS for the 7 sites in question must make their objections known now for this new enquiary. I can't see the Albion making things difficult for them.

Exactly. Thats why ive been banging on about supporting non-Falmer NIMBYs all day. Right now they're our friends.

LB, while any alternative might be rubber stamped, shirley we'd still have to at least go though the formalities of submitting a plan etc. That all costs money and causes delays, and id wager it wouldnt go swimmingly either.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

At the very least there would need to be a S.106 planning agreement with the local authority - setting out the conditions under which a site would be used. In effect that would mean a planning application - but it would be more of a "negotiated settlement" than anything else.

 

[Gwylan]

But this is a long way off being likely to happen, since Sheepcote Valley is demonstrably in conflict with national planning policy on sustainable transport access to major developments.

Ed, I asked this on another thread but didn't get an answer. But if the national policy on major developments is to have sustainable transport access, how come Reading and Northampton managed to build grounds that are miles from local stations, and in Reading's case, inaccessible by foot or cycle?

Is the sustainable transport access a recommendation or an essential?

That's the nagging worry I've had about Sheepcote all day.

 

[London Calling]

There's new section 106 regulations out now.

Luckily the Council are on our side otherwise they could have a field day.

But luckily they see that Falmer will offer community facilities, jobs etc

LC

 

[perseus]

Sheepcote NIMBYs.

There is a photograph of a Wryneck on the Internet, one of the rarest birds in England photographed on several occasions in Sheepcote Valley.

 

[London Irish]

Ed, I asked this on another thread but didn't get an answer. But if the national policy on major developments is to have sustainable transport access, how come Reading and Northampton managed to build grounds that are miles from local stations, and in Reading's case, inaccessible by foot or cycle?

Is the sustainable transport access a recommendation or an essential?

That's the nagging worry I've had about Sheepcote all day.

I don't know much about Northampton, but I go to the Madjet up to 15 times a year and I would say access is pretty good.

Its location on major road networks, M4 J11, A34 meant that traffic flows to the stadium cause little or no problems. Compare that the Sheepcote where the cost of building such a road infrastructure would make the development prohibitive, even if it wasn't contaiminated land. Luckily, Prescott has included development costs as a criteria!

Access from within Reading is pretty striaghtforward to, you can get a bus close to the stadium generally from wherever you are. Although it's not near a stadium, the good road transport infrastructure at the Madjet ensures that the rail shuttle-bus system works perfectly, a huge number of London Irish fans use this, including me.

Falmer has the benefit of being even more "sustainable" in its transport strategy than the Madjet because the station will ensure even less car journeys.

And actually, it's not quite true that the Madjet is inaccesible by foot, I know a fair few LI fans who live that end of Reading who can cope with a 20/30-min stroll.

 

[Gwylan]

I don't know much about Northampton, but I go to the Madjet up to 15 times a year and I would say access is pretty good.

Its location on major road networks, M4 J11, A34 meant that traffic flows to the stadium cause little or no problems. Compare that the Sheepcote where the cost of building such a road infrastructure would make the development prohibitive, even if it wasn't contaiminated land. Luckily, Prescott has included development costs as a criteria!

Access from within Reading is pretty striaghtforward to, you can get a bus close to the stadium generally from wherever you are. Although it's not near a stadium, the good road transport infrastructure at the Madjet ensures that the rail shuttle-bus system works perfectly, a huge number of London Irish fans use this, including me.

Falmer has the benefit of being even more "sustainable" in its transport strategy than the Madjet because the station will ensure even less car journeys.

And actually, it's not quite true that the Madjet is inaccesible by foot, I know a fair few LI fans who live that end of Reading who can cope with a 20/30-min stroll.

I know there's a shuttle bus from the station; I've used it. But surely if a shuttle bus counts as 'sustainable transport' then we could have the same at Sheepcote. In which case, Sheepcote does have sustainable transport links.

When I said that the Mad was inaccessible by foot, I wasn't referring to the distance (hell, I used to walk to the Goldstone from Moulsecoomb), just the fact that it was sandwiched between motorways and major roads and is not easy walking.

 

[Yorkie]

Yet again

Unexploded wartime munitions buried at Sheepcote Valley

 

[Lord Bracknell]

I know there's a shuttle bus from the station; I've used it. But surely if a shuttle bus counts as 'sustainable transport' then we could have the same at Sheepcote. In which case, Sheepcote does have sustainable transport links.

I don't want to pre-empt the Club's evidence at the Inquiry, but all of the "interested parties" have already seen correspondence from the bus company that demonstrates that it would take an extra 30 double deck buses to provide the public transport access to Sheepcote Valley. That's 30 over and above the commitment they have already promised for Falmer.

This could only be achieved by implementing severe cuts in the rest of the City's public transport network.

A sustainable transport solution?

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Yet again

Unexploded wartime munitions buried at Sheepcote Valley

Are you sure you're not confusing real war with the fact that Richard Attenborough filmed "Oh What A Lovely War!" at Sheepcote Valley?

 

[Yorkie]

Are you sure you're not confusing real war with the fact that Richard Attenborough filmed "Oh What A Lovely War!" at Sheepcote Valley?

No I heard that myself at the club the day we sponsored the Albion against Peterborough.

Ask for yourself.

 

[London Calling]

Ed, I asked this on another thread but didn't get an answer. But if the national policy on major developments is to have sustainable transport access, how come Reading and Northampton managed to build grounds that are miles from local stations, and in Reading's case, inaccessible by foot or cycle?

Is the sustainable transport access a recommendation or an essential?

That's the nagging worry I've had about Sheepcote all day.

I SUSPECT THAT THE PPG'S ON SUSTAINABLE TRANSPORT HAVE BEEN INTENSIFIED SINCE THE LABOUR GOVT HAS COME IN AND SINCE MADJESTIC OBTAINED PLANNING PERMISSION.

THIS GOVT HAS ALSO COMPLEMENTED THIS WITH PPG'S ON SPORTS STADIA.

LC

 

[PaoloRossiJohnson]

Lord B -

have you considered writing a book about the 'fight for a new stadium', written from your perspective as one of the 'interested parties'...?

It would make great reading; I, for one, would snap it up, and I'm sure many other BHA fans would too ("Build a Bonfire", anyone?), let alone fans of other clubs...

I'm sure you're gonna need something to occupy your time when this is all over with...

You will have all the documents still, to refer to.

You, and many others, will have lots of photos to go in it!

Someone's GOT to write a book about it when we finally get a new stadium, and I nominate YOU!!! Whose gonna second me?



Go on, Lord B, think about it...

Seriously.

 

[London Irish]

I know there's a shuttle bus from the station; I've used it. But surely if a shuttle bus counts as 'sustainable transport' then we could have the same at Sheepcote. In which case, Sheepcote does have sustainable transport links.

No it doesn't. The Madjet development benefited from a road transport network that was already in place. Sheepcote Valley doesn't have that. How could the lanes around Sheepcote cope with 23,000 people converging on it? It would require a massive outlay for the club to provide this additional road infrastructure of the quality that was already there by the Madjet. Prescott has INCLUDED development costs as a criteria. Coupled with building over this green lung for East Brighton and the financial outlay that would be required to even INVESTIGATE the contamination problem there let alone the unimaginable costs of rectifying it, Sheepcote has no chance of being a viable site.

 

[b.w.2.]

Seconded...