[Albion] James Beadle

[Gabbiano]

To be honest I'd imagine every loan club will say "Of course we'll give your lad lots of game time! Send him over!" to the parent club, no matter what their true intentions are.

It's not in their interests to be honest about signing a young loanee for backup, because they wouldn't get the player.

Pretty much all of our Championship loanees last season ended up being bench options for their clubs, nothing more.

 

[Freddo]

To be honest I'd imagine every loan club will say "Of course we'll give your lad lots of game time! Send him over!" to the parent club, no matter what their true intentions are.

It's not in their interests to be honest about signing a young loanee for backup, because they wouldn't get the player.

Pretty much all of our Championship loanees last season ended up being bench options for their clubs, nothing more.

But isn't this pretty much the main job of our loans department, to analyse the loaning club's squad and make an assessment if they're likely to play before sanctioning a move? Feels like basic due diligence, which either wasn't done last season, or our loanees were being massively overrated internally.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

To be honest I'd imagine every loan club will say "Of course we'll give your lad lots of game time! Send him over!" to the parent club, no matter what their true intentions are.

I think this is the case yes.

I always think you're better off sending a loan player out to a division lower than they could potentially play in. Of course you lose something, because the strikers aren't hitting it as hard etc, but the risk, especially for a keeper of losing a year's playing experience outweighs that.

Birmingham seems a strange choice from a player development point of view. Possibly the choice is based on the fact that Birmingham might be willing to buy the player and we're receptive to that

 

[Lady Whistledown]

I think this is the case yes.

I always think you're better off sending a loan player out to a division lower than they could potentially play in. Of course you lose something, because the strikers aren't hitting it as hard etc, but the risk, especially for a keeper of losing a year's playing experience outweighs that.

Birmingham seems a strange choice from a player development point of view. Possibly the choice is based on the fact that Birmingham might be willing to buy the player and we're receptive to that

Especially as Birmingham are likely to be able to afford whatever fee we decided to set it if it came to it.

 

[Insel affe]

Another championship move for him. Birmingham on loan for 25/26 says Alex Crook
Beadle is not 21 until July - and is a regular in the England u21s squad.

Good move that, I have Birmingham as outsiders to go up

 

[Gabbiano]

But isn't this pretty much the main job of our loans department, to analyse the loaning club's squad and make an assessment if they're likely to play before sanctioning a move? Feels like basic due diligence, which either wasn't done last season, or our loanees were being massively overrated internally.

Quite. I'd question the performance of our loans team - our domestic loans have been really underwhelming for the last two seasons, the international ones have maybe done better but those tend to be players that we've signed from other leagues rather than academy graduates.

We seem to be very keen to loan players to clubs we have established relationships with - the Blackburns, Stokes and West Broms of this world. And then find that they aren't giving our lads a lot of game time.

It'd be interesting to see some more of our academy kids daring to go abroad.

 

[GT49er]

I’d be amazed if we loan out a player who’s likely to spend a season on the bench though, surely? He’d be better off going to League One and playing every week than sitting on the bench in the Championship.

Obviously he won’t be guaranteed a place in the team but I’d have though he must at least be in with a shout of being number one.

We certainly wouldn't send him down to League 1 after two successful seasons in the Championship!

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Quite. I'd question the performance of our loans team - our domestic loans have been really underwhelming for the last two seasons, the international ones have maybe done better but those tend to be players that we've signed from other leagues rather than academy graduates.

We seem to be very keen to loan players to clubs we have established relationships with - the Blackburns, Stokes and West Broms of this world. And then find that they aren't giving our lads a lot of game time.

It'd be interesting to see some more of our academy kids daring to go abroad.

Yeh. Or toughen them up in some windswept northern shithole.

 

[CheeseRolls]

Strange thread this. Ryan Allsop is 32 has something of a journeyman career, but is loved by the supporters as he is a Birmingham City supporter. Beadle at 20 has just completed 2 seasons of playing regularly in the Championship, admittedly he didn't finish the season as first choice at Wednesday, who wanted to bring through their own young keeper.

This could be a really good loan for him, there is always a doubt with Birmingham that they might start throwing cash around, but if Beadle is going to make it he should be looking to establish himself as number one next season, even if Allsop is something of a fans favourite.

 

[GT49er]

It will be so frustrating if this comes to pass. You'd have to question the decision making of the loans department if that's the case.

It would be as bad a decision as sending Rushworth to Hull was last season.

 

[BevBHA]

To be honest I'd imagine every loan club will say "Of course we'll give your lad lots of game time! Send him over!" to the parent club, no matter what their true intentions are.

It's not in their interests to be honest about signing a young loanee for backup, because they wouldn't get the player.

Pretty much all of our Championship loanees last season ended up being bench options for their clubs, nothing more.

Would be very surprised if minimum amount of games played clauses etc are not part of our loan deals (subject to being available to play eg. Not injured, suspended etc)

 

[GT49er]

I think this is the case yes.

I always think you're better off sending a loan player out to a division lower than they could potentially play in. Of course you lose something, because the strikers aren't hitting it as hard etc, but the risk, especially for a keeper of losing a year's playing experience outweighs that.

Birmingham seems a strange choice from a player development point of view. Possibly the choice is based on the fact that Birmingham might be willing to buy the player and we're receptive to that

That's maybe what we are doing with Beadle - one and a half successful seasons in the Championship already, so should really be looking at lower PL.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

It would be as bad a decision as sending Rushworth to Hull was last season.

Rushworth picked up a significant injury a few weeks into his loan spell: that can't be put down to decision making.

 

[GT49er]

Rushworth picked up a significant injury a few weeks into his loan spell: that can't be put down to decision making.

............and he wasn't getting regular starts before that, nor did he when he came back from his injury. Some Hull supporters even thought he was there as their third GK!

 

[ac gull]

Beadle off to Blues for the season on loan I read somewhere or other today

 

[GT49er]

Beadle off to Blues for the season on loan I read somewhere or other today

Yep, two pages back on here.............................................

 

[PeterT]

Strange thread this. Ryan Allsop is 32 has something of a journeyman career, but is loved by the supporters as he is a Birmingham City supporter. Beadle at 20 has just completed 2 seasons of playing regularly in the Championship, admittedly he didn't finish the season as first choice at Wednesday, who wanted to bring through their own young keeper.

This could be a really good loan for him, there is always a doubt with Birmingham that they might start throwing cash around, but if Beadle is going to make it he should be looking to establish himself as number one next season, even if Allsop is something of a fans favourite.

I was listening to local radio in the Midlands tonight and they were discussing this, saying that Beadle has been signed to be the #1. Surprising, but that was the conclusion. Time will tell.

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

............and he wasn't getting regular starts before that, nor did he when he came back from his injury. Some Hull supporters even thought he was there as their third GK!

Before he got injured Rushworth was on the bench for 4 games having joined Hull late as he was needed for cover here. It’s understandable he’d be starting behind the keeper who already has the shirt.

As a club we wouldn’t have expected him to go straight into their team when he first joined, and would have looked at him having to fight for the shirt as a test of his attitude as a player. Up to the player to prove themselves in training.

After injury he missed the next 17 games. As soon as he was fit he went straight into their first XI and played three games before he was recalled.

The loan move was a write off due to injury, not because sending him to Hull was a bad decision.

 

[GT49er]

Before he got injured Rushworth was on the bench for 4 games having joined Hull late as he was needed for cover here. It’s understandable he’d be starting behind the keeper who already has the shirt.

As a club we wouldn’t have expected him to go straight into their team when he first joined, and would have looked at him having to fight for the shirt as a test of his attitude as a player. Up to the player to prove themselves in training.

After injury he missed the next 17 games. As soon as he was fit he went straight into their first XI and played three games before he was recalled.

The loan move was a write off due to injury, not because sending him to Hull was a bad decision.

That in itself set alarm bells ringing! Let's face it, it was a bad move.

Albion got it wrong for once (shock horror!)

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

That in itself set alarm bells ringing! Let's face it, it was a bad move.

Albion got it wrong for once (shock horror!)

How does it set alarm bells ringing? The club wouldn’t expect him to walk straight into the first XI, especially when he joins late and has no pre-season with the club he’s gone too.

It’s part of the experience they are looking players to get. It isn’t just about game time. It’s about testing a players attitude and resolve, how do they cope with being out of a team, how well do they perform in training and force their way into a managers thinking. Do they continue to work hard once they’ve been selected and started playing.

A loan move where a player is selected for 46 straight games without a problem is far less of a test than one’s where players have to work to deal with things not going perfectly. If a player never goes through a challenging period while out on loan how do you know how they will react.

I’ll say it again the club didn’t get it wrong, it turned out to be a bad move because of an injury. That is totally out of everyone’s control. He was available for selection for 7 games, he played 3, all immediately before his recall which means he’d probably shown a real ability to cope with a tough 4 or 5 months, the first real test of that type of his career.

Even if a player doesn’t get much game time that doesn’t necessarily mean the club got it wrong. It could be down to how the player performs in training and in matches, it’s up to the player to prove themselves. Simply being on loan from Brighton shouldn’t mean they are an automatic choice and the club wouldn’t expect them to be. The club will want a loaner to work hard and make themselves one of the first names on the team sheet like Ben White did at Leeds but not every loan move will be pretty much prefect as far as the player is concerned like that one was.

This interview from Brentford’s (possibly the club closest to us in terms of how they are run) website about their loan players talks about not just players getting game time but getting tested and coping with adversity and being out of their comfort zone. Exactly what Rushworth would have gone through last season with Hull.

How Brentford define and find the perfect loan

A key part of Brentford’s method in developing players is utilising the loan market in the right way, to give valuable experience to young players in the EFL and beyond; loan manager David Langridge, technical director Lee Dykes, head coach Thomas Frank and Brentford defender Fin Stevens discuss...

www.brentfordfc.com