[Albion] Jack Hinshelwood [9/4/24: new deal to 2028]

[One Teddy Maybank]

Surprised to hear that, especially from Warren.
Hinsh wasn’t an outlet for the defence. He had very little influence on the game.
He did about as well as you’d expect for a teenager in the development squad fringes. I’d bet half a dozen of the dev squad could have done similar.
That is fine, and it’s early days, but to suggest he was something special is a bit silly.

Assuming you were there you watched a completely differently game to me.
Other than influence on the game, which of course in a 1-6 you’d expect

 

[DJ NOBO]

Assuming you were there you watched a completely differently game to me.
Other than influence on the game, which of course in a 1-6 you’d expect

I watched on TV which may make me a bad fan but doesn’t mean I can’t have an opinion on the game.

In the first half our defenders were panicking in possession. They were crying out for an outlet in midfield to play the short pass to. Hinsh lacked the knowhow to get in the right position to collect the ball. A previous poster called it hiding, I’d say he lacked the experience to know where to be. He was certainly intimidated.
Watch the game back (no, don’t) and it’s noticeable Dunk and Webster lost confidence in him.
That said It was a tough ask, everyone was crap etc etc sure.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

I watched on TV which may make me a bad fan but doesn’t mean I can’t have an opinion on the game.

In the first half our defenders were panicking in possession. They were crying out for an outlet in midfield to play the short pass to. Hinsh lacked the knowhow to get in the right position to collect the ball. A previous poster called it hiding, I’d say he lacked the experience to know where to be. He was certainly intimidated.
Watch the game back (no, don’t) and it’s noticeable Dunk and Webster lost confidence in him.
That said It was a tough ask, everyone was crap etc etc sure.

Of course it doesn’t, different opinions make the site enjoyable. What it does mean though, (IMO), is that you don’t see the whole picture (no pun intended). Villa completely flooded the area we normally go to, and although both CBs drifted further out to create space centrally, Villa were comfortable with that.

Out of Gilmour and Hinshelwood, I would say say Hinshelwood was busting a gut to find an angle, whereas Gilmour was almost hiding, not sure if that came across.

I disagree re Dunk and Webster losing confidence. It really wasn’t like that at all. In the first half, the bigger issue as well as 2 vs 3, was the fact that once again both Welbeck and Ferguson were static, so the low driven pass was barely an option for Steele. He seemed to receive the ball a lot more in the second half than Gilmour, but then Villa dropped deeper.

I agree with Warren et al.

 

[Farehamseagull]

Not exactly a high bar seeing as the rest seemed to be hanging from a heavy night on the drink, but along with Pedro he was our best player.

This.

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

It wasn't Alzate away to Newcastle levels of a Premier League full debut but he did ok, and ok is a lot better than a majority of our players managed yesterday.

 

[DJ NOBO]

Of course it doesn’t, different opinions make the site enjoyable. What it does mean though, (IMO), is that you don’t see the whole picture (no pun intended). Villa completely flooded the area we normally go to, and although both CBs drifted further out to create space centrally, Villa were comfortable with that.

Out of Gilmour and Hinshelwood, I would say say Hinshelwood was busting a gut to find an angle, whereas Gilmour was almost hiding, not sure if that came across.

I disagree re Dunk and Webster losing confidence. It really wasn’t like that at all. In the first half, the bigger issue as well as 2 vs 3, was the fact that once again both Welbeck and Ferguson were static, so the low driven pass was barely an option for Steele. He seemed to receive the ball a lot more in the second half than Gilmour, but then Villa dropped deeper.

I agree with Warren et al.

Several times in the first half (when the damage was done) the defenders would have it under pressure, look up and neither of our cms were in a position to collect the ball.

Although that was partly because villa could reinforce the midfield space as our attackers didn’t hold it up, Solly and Mitoma were having dozy days and our defenders looked out of sorts from the get go.

Gilmour and Hinsh literally found themselves in the middle of it and were lambs to the slaughter really. Stick peak Bissouma in there and we still would have lost, although maybe not so easily.

But hey, this isn’t about bashing Hinsh. If nothing else it is brilliant having a Hinsh in the side. What a day for Adam, who was robbed of a high level career by injury imo.

I just objected to the idea he stood out from the Albion dross. for me he was part of it.

It is encouraging to hear you thought he had something about him, from the stands.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

It wasn't Alzate away to Newcastle levels of a Premier League full debut but he did ok, and ok is a lot better than a majority of our players managed yesterday.

Interesting you should bring up Alzate. Proper shit decision to let him go out, if it was clear that we were short in CM (Baleba ‘not ready’, Moder comeback timeframe, etc)

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

Interesting you should bring up Alzate. Proper shit decision to let him go out, if it was clear that we were short in CM (Baleba ‘not ready’, Moder comeback timeframe, etc)

With hindsight yes but we probably didn’t expect injuries to Milner and Gross who are both normally fit more often than not and Dahoud has been disappointing too. We couldn’t have know Alzate would have got a lot of mins this season, which from what I’ve been told was one of the main factors in him wanting to go out on loan again. He didn’t want to just be a squad player and at his age now who can blame him.

 

[NorthstandRacoon]

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We do have some absolute twats on this board, don't we.

Whilst I disagree with his view, it is a forum where we can express ones opinion. There is a pitch fork mentality on here when people go against the grain, as if its some big clique, quite childish really.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Can't flog £150 million quid's worth of midfield talent overnight and expect to just carry on as normal. Yesterday's lightweight midfield got steamrollered by Villa. Not the players fault. It was an institutional failure

 

[Live by the sea]

Hinsch & Gilmour are both decent enough players in the middle providing they have a tough tackling DM alongside them , Without that , we lose too many balls in the 2nd phase .

 

[dazzer6666]

Surprised to hear that, especially from Warren.
Hinsh wasn’t an outlet for the defence. He had very little influence on the game.
He did about as well as you’d expect for a teenager in the development squad fringes. I’d bet half a dozen of the dev squad could have done similar.
That is fine, and it’s early days, but to suggest he was something special is a bit silly.

They didn’t say he was special….merely a positive on a day of mostly negatives.

 

[BluesRockDJ]

I don’t get the focus on JH, numerous senior players put on their clown shoes today and made goal conceding errors yet we highlight the young guy? No - groupthinking rubbish

Because it became apparent both Gilmour and Hinshelwood were naive and "slightly built" Baleba would have added some muscle .

 

[dazzer6666]

Didn’t hear his name once on on the TS commentary. Such a strange game to start him in though.

Have we just signed £27m worth of not ready for two seasons in Beleba ? because we are a club who really aren’t at that level yet and needed someone who can play.

Baleba who got an absolute whack on his ankle that should have been a red v Chelsea and went iff soon after and will be needed in Marseille ?

 

[Van Cleef]

Let me guess (I'm new to NSC)....we lost horribly today and people are looking for an escape goat.

Is it 'sack the board'?

I'm enjoying the season and have a nice glass of red, red wine.

It is what it is.

This young lad is being treated like a piranha.
Everybody out!

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

This young lad is being treated like a piranha.
Everybody out!

Scuse me, while I kiss this guy!

(pucker up, ya b'stard!)

 

[Van Cleef]

Scuse me, while I kiss this guy!

(pucker up, ya b'stard!)

 

[shibainu]

Thought he did OK but he seems to be (understandably) not ready to start in the PL, especially in the midfield against Villa at the Villa Park... If he was to start it should've been against Chelsea in the cup game imo.

 

[jcdenton08]

He was a little boy lost. Out of his depth. Too soon in his career. Hiding at times. Hard to watch. Painful at times.

He was a little boy lost. Out of his depth. Too soon in his career. Hiding at times. Hard to watch. Painful at times.

Hard disagree, thought he did okay and certainly no worse than Gilmour or even several senior players who were very poor on the day.

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

With hindsight yes but we probably didn’t expect injuries to Milner and Gross who are both normally fit more often than not and Dahoud has been disappointing too. We couldn’t have know Alzate would have got a lot of mins this season, which from what I’ve been told was one of the main factors in him wanting to go out on loan again. He didn’t want to just be a squad player and at his age now who can blame him.

Although as it has turned out almost everyone is a squad player now.