[Albion] Is FH really performing that badly?

[One Teddy Maybank]

Very true, I am not sure people are taking in that much context

I think for most it is a case of venting after a disappointing result or performance. I wonder how many will still be calling for his head in the summer, especially once it becomes obvious he is staying and even more so if we start to make a few decent signings (not wingers and attacking mids).

I'll be honest I am not expecting much from the last few games but I am optimistic about next season. With some decent signings I think we'll see more of the good stuff and less of the bad.

Largely agree.

I think he’ll definitely be here, but I feel we need a more experienced manager.

I remain optimistic for the remainder of the season and you never know…
Defensively, it is a big summer.

I have to be careful re the optimism, as it seems a few on here seem to think it’s my expectation…….

 

[dazzer6666]

Largely agree.

I think he’ll definitely be here, but I feel we need a more experienced manager.

I remain optimistic for the remainder of the season and you never know…
Defensively, it is a big summer.

FH will be more experienced by next season

 

[Guinness Boy]

This seems a bit reductive ? Hinshelwood is "standing still" since August 2024.
But fair enough. So how much of this - presumably a strong indicator of his development and improvement of what is still a very young player - would you put down to Hurzeler ?

It’s not reductive. The bloke I was replying to wanted stats on Hinshelwood!!!

Yes, definitely players improving. Baleba, Gruda, O’Riley. Others standing still or going backwards.

 

[chaileyjem]

It’s not reductive. The bloke I was replying to wanted stats on Hinshelwood!!!

Yes, definitely players improving. Baleba, Gruda, O’Riley. Others standing still or going backwards.

I’d put Welbeck, Ayari, Georginio, Van Hecke in the continuing to improve column.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

I’d put Welbeck, Ayari, Georginio, Van Hecke in the continuing to improve column.

Interesting discussion between you both.

Do you think some of the names mentioned in the discussion are improving or playing to their ability (the reason we bought them)?

Granted Ayari, JPvH, Baleba…… and perhaps Gruda but the others yourself and @Guinness Boy have mentioned in some respects are possibly demonstrating what we saw when we purchased them…..

Welbeck was an England player, O’Riley a CL player, Rutter was excellent with a massive lower league team…..

 

[Guinness Boy]

Interesting discussion between you both.

Do you think some of the names mentioned in the discussion are improving or playing to their ability (the reason we bought them)?

Granted Ayari, JPvH, Baleba…… and perhaps Gruda but the others yourself and @Guinness Boy have mentioned in some respects are possibly demonstrating what we saw when we purchased them…..

Welbeck was an England player, O’Riley a CL player, Rutter was excellent with a massive lower league team…..

Agreed. I’m not sure there’s any way to show we’ve improved former Arsenal, United and England striker Welbeck but I’ll certainly say JPVH has got better over the season as has Ayari.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Agreed. I’m not sure there’s any way to show we’ve improved former Arsenal, United and England striker Welbeck but I’ll certainly say JPVH has got better over the season as has Ayari.

He’s having to the best stats of his career might be one way? Playing more minutes, more goal involvements, then talk of an England recall some 5 years after his last appearance. At 34 that is some achievement given the career he’s had.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

Hurzeler is doing ok.
The hangover/love-in that still lingers post RDZ and is preventing many fans from accepting and believing in FH is clouding the facts. RDZ dropped 14 points in his second season and got an easy ride because of the previous season. The squad had lost all momentum and was largely demoralised in the second half of last season.
We had wholesale changes in the summer. Lots of new faces. With a near fully fit squad, we started well and took 7 points from the first 9. Milner and O'Riley were the first of a catalogue of injuries that have dogged us all season. The manager has been forced to experiment more than he would have liked and at times we have paid the price. The time to really start judging him is next season.
RDZ...average points per game...1.43.......FH......1.50.

 

[ConfusedGloryHunter]

Hurzeler is doing ok.
The hangover/love-in that still lingers post RDZ and is preventing many fans from accepting and believing in FH is clouding the facts. RDZ dropped 14 points in his second season and got an easy ride because of the previous season. The squad had lost all momentum and was largely demoralised in the second half of last season.
We had wholesale changes in the summer. Lots of new faces. With a near fully fit squad, we started well and took 7 points from the first 9. Milner and O'Riley were the first of a catalogue of injuries that have dogged us all season. The manager has been forced to experiment more than he would have liked and at times we have paid the price. The time to really start judging him is next season.
RDZ...average points per game...1.43.......FH......1.50.

Yes but if you ignore some of RDZs games for some spurious reason then he averages over 1.7.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

Yes but if you ignore some of RDZs games for some spurious reason then he averages over 1.7.

RDZ managed us for 70 games. First season...32 games 52 points. Second season 38 games 48 points. Total....100 points. Average 1.43.
( Let me know how you make that 1.7 )

 

[chaileyjem]

Interesting discussion between you both.

Do you think some of the names mentioned in the discussion are improving or playing to their ability (the reason we bought them)?

Granted Ayari, JPvH, Baleba…… and perhaps Gruda but the others yourself and @Guinness Boy have mentioned in some respects are possibly demonstrating what we saw when we purchased them…..

Welbeck was an England player, O’Riley a CL player, Rutter was excellent with a massive lower league team…..

well it’s a bit of both (expectation) but all bar Welbeck are young and not the finished article. Keeping Welbeck at a similar level to where he was over a decade ago is all credit to him, his fitness but also all the three coaches he’s worked with at the Albion and i'd argue this has been his best Brighton season so far. Ayari was a bit part Championship player last season and is now not far off a PL first choice/Swedish international. He will be attracting interest. Baleba was inconsistent and not a regular under RDZ but now so important that he plays even if he’s out of position. Georginio also worked to become a first choice player after a fitful start with us - and is transformed from his PL apps during the Leeds relegation season. Now.
How much you’d put all of this down to the current coach - i'd definitely say its a big factor - or just their "talent" - harder to say.

 

[ConfusedGloryHunter]

RDZ managed us for 70 games. First season...32 games 52 points. Second season 38 games 48 points. Total....100 points. Average 1.43.
( Let me know how you make that 1.7 )

I was making a joke about people cherry picking games or goals to suit their argument. I wasn't really trying to dispute your numbers.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

well it’s a bit of both (expectation) but all bar Welbeck are young and not the finished article. Keeping Welbeck at a similar level to where he was over a decade ago is all credit to him, his fitness but also all the three coaches he’s worked with at the Albion and i'd argue this has been his best Brighton season so far. Ayari was a bit part Championship player last season and is now not far off a PL first choice/Swedish international. He will be attracting interest. Baleba was inconsistent and not a regular under RDZ but now so important that he plays even if he’s out of position. Georginio also worked to become a first choice player after a fitful start with us - and is transformed from his PL apps during the Leeds relegation season. Now.
How much you’d put all of this down to the current coach - i'd definitely say its a big factor - or just their "talent" - harder to say.

Definitely, there is no doubt Baleba and Ayari have come on leaps and bounds, can’t argue with any of that, has to be largely down to training/coaching. Arguably, next season will be interesting for Georginio because he has talent in abundance IMO, and perhaps he’ll kick on again.

 

[American Seagle]

Agreed. I’m not sure there’s any way to show we’ve improved former Arsenal, United and England striker Welbeck but I’ll certainly say JPVH has got better over the season as has Ayari.

So Hinshelwood is going backwards as his attacking stats are MARGINALLY down on last season. Yet Welbeck has his best attacking output ever and he is not improving either!?
Lol what a troll.

 

[warmleyseagull]

and 3) beating "top 6" teams like Chelsea twice, Newcastle twice, Man United twice, Man City at home for the first time, and Spurs.
and 4) seeing two of the greatest goals i think i've seen at the Amex . ever. (Mitoma, Baleba)
and 5) having another season where we were safe from relegation - half way through the season.

Quoting a bit out of context. My point was that the season would be defined by the inability to beat crap teams and poor defensive record, not that it is fair to do so, or that I particularly proscribe to that view. My point was that FH could not really be blamed for either so was supporting him. Plus, as you say, there have been some very good moments.