Iran: lets bomb them

[Pavilionaire]

Questions has a point, LB.

This supposed "great civilisation" has managed, by hook or by crook, to put in place a leader who has gone on record as saying Israel should be wiped from the face of the map and has been making belligerent overtones ever since.

It may go down well in the US of A, but if any British PM said the same thing about Iraq they'd be out of a job.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Dont much care for their leader ? Lord B stop being silly. I didn`t much care for flairs or Cadburys Smash. This man is a big big danger.

He's mad, he's bad, he's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

But how secure is his position?

The classic way of dealing with unstable and hostile political regimes has always been to undermine them ... using diplomatic and political skills and real knowledge of the internal stresses in the nation in question.

The US has plainly lost the expertise to do that. So its first option is now war. Have they learned NOTHING from Iraq?

Answer this simple question:- If war is waged on Iran, how can you tell when it has been won?

 

[hart's shirt]

To be fair, the employee who works with me is expecting an internal coup to happen in order to be rid of Ahmadinejad and that particular style of government.

She believes that were pressure from the West to be increased through threats, etc., this would undoubtedly solidify the support for Ahmadinejad from his own citizens.

 

[Questions]

He's mad, he's bad, he's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

But how secure is his position?

The classic way of dealing with unstable and hostile political regimes has always been to undermine them ... using diplomatic and political skills and real knowledge of the internal stresses in the nation in question.

The US has plainly lost the expertise to do that. So its first option is now war. Have they learned NOTHING from Iraq?

Answer this simple question:- If war is waged on Iran, how can you tell when it has been won?

Maybe it is premature to resort to military action at this stage Lord B but this is not Iraq part 2.

International atomic inspectors said last night that Iran had obtained designs to build the core of a nuclear weapon as the world's major powers agreed unanimously to report Teheran to the United Nations for possible sanctions.

In a show of unity unseen since before the Iraq war, the foreign ministers of America, Russia, China, Britain, France and Germany said that they "shared serious concerns about Iran's nuclear programme".

Iran has in the past said a design to turn uranium into hemispheres - a shape used only for nuclear weapons - had been obtained inadvertently from the nuclear black market that supplied its uranium enrichment facilities.

Even though the above text is taken from the Telegraph - not normally a source of information I would trust implicitly - there is no doubt that all of the major players are voicing grave concern this time.

 

[British Bulldog]

So there you go then...lets nuke the USA!!!

It's about time we returned a bit of friendly fire

 

[Pavilionaire]

The only way for these people - Iraqi, Iranian, Afghan - to come round to our way of thinking is to give them a Democracy Trial Offer for 1 month only - free Sky digital beamed into every home, free KFC / McDonalds and Guinness Extra cold available on every street corner.

In no time at all they'll have beheaded the mad mullahs and loony ragheads currently in charge and be voting to save Kate Garraway from the chop on Strictly Come Dancing. Now that's DEMOCRACY in action!

 

[Falmer Flutter ©]

Questions has a point, LB.

This supposed "great civilisation" has managed, by hook or by crook, to put in place a leader who has gone on record as saying Israel should be wiped from the face of the map and has been making belligerent overtones ever since.

It may go down well in the US of A, but if any British PM said the same thing about Iraq they'd be out of a job.

Not that I really want to defend Ahmadinejad or owt, but there is some dispute about the actual translation of his "World Without Zionism" speech.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel

 

[Questions]

The only way for these people - Iraqi, Iranian, Afghan - to come round to our way of thinking is to give them a Democracy Trial Offer for 1 month only - free Sky digital beamed into every home, free KFC / McDonalds and Guinness Extra cold available on every street corner.

In no time at all they'll have beheaded the mad mullahs and loony ragheads currently in charge and be voting to save Kate Garraway from the chop on Strictly Come Dancing. Now that's DEMOCRACY in action!

Maybe a cultural exchange WOULD help. Do we get camel racing and highlights of the days best stonings on a saturday afternoon. Cor and that female presenter.... shes got lovely big eyes.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

The BBC ran an interesting report the other day, contrasting the views of the war mongering clique surrounding Bush with the "let's stick with diplomacy" views expressed by Condoleeza Rice.

Russia, China, Britain, France and Germany are backing Rice, not Bush's cronies.

This issue may well be all about regime change. But it's regime change in Washington that may be happening. There won't be a coup, of course, just the selection of a Republican candidate for the next presidential elections.

 

[Questions]

The BBC ran an interesting report the other day, contrasting the views of the war mongering clique surrounding Bush with the "let's stick with diplomacy" views expressed by Condoleeza Rice.

Russia, China, Britain, France and Germany are backing Rice, not Bush's cronies.

This issue may well be all about regime change. But it's regime change in Washington that may be happening. There won't be a coup, of course, just the selection of a Republican candidate for the next presidential elections.

And I think everybody understands what the 'next steps' mean," Rice told reporters after a meeting with NATO foreign ministers and European Union officials.

Reveral to the U.N. security council no less. By that stage sanctions are no longer the main topic of discussion. Her diplomacy and tact strategy may be waning.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

And I think everybody understands what the 'next steps' mean," Rice told reporters after a meeting with NATO foreign ministers and European Union officials.

Reveral to the U.N. security council no less. By that stage sanctions are no longer the main topic of discussion. Her diplomacy and tact strategy may be waning.

Or she's desperately hanging on to her job, in the face of growing hostility from the warmongers who have the ear of Bush?

 

[Questions]

Or she's desperately hanging on to her job, in the face of growing hostility from the warmongers who have the ear of Bush?

Well thats politics for you. Still she`s either for or against military action. Reveral to the council is weeks away ?

We know which way it will go then ancient civilisation or not.


On a slightly different note but concerning ancient Persian history did you know that the great Darius introduced one of the first systems of common coinage - the Darik.

All this and a third place on Pop idol as well.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

But wasn't it the USA who were involved behind the scenes in getting the Shah of Iran deposed ? What happens - No democracy as they planned but a theocracy instead headed by Ayatollah Khomenei. Very similar to the ending of the monarchy in Iraq , 20 years previously, the USA wanted "friendly" countries in the Middle East so a military regime run by Saddam Hussein was the end result. I wonder what happened there ?

 

[NMH]

To be fair, the employee who works with me is expecting an internal coup to happen in order to be rid of Ahmadinejad and that particular style of government.

She believes that were pressure from the West to be increased through threats, etc., this would undoubtedly solidify the support for Ahmadinejad from his own citizens.

Long been the opinion of well-read and worldly experts on foreign affairs - that left to his own designs, the people would oust him.

Naturally Bush will do the more stupid option, since he's already named him as an enemy (particularly repugnant and arrogant for any leader to go around doing in the first place). Thus any zealots, and outside enemies of the US will galvanize his position and place more importance on him.

Oh the stupidity of the US Government right now - it defies rationality and intellectuality, but it may well end this world for us as a usable and navigable planet.

 

[Storer68]

So , you think this man is a threat (well I suppose he is if you are 22 yeards away from him with a bat)

 

[algie]

He's mad, he's bad, he's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

But how secure is his position?

The classic way of dealing with unstable and hostile political regimes has always been to undermine them ... using diplomatic and political skills and real knowledge of the internal stresses in the nation in question.

The US has plainly lost the expertise to do that. So its first option is now war. Have they learned NOTHING from Iraq?

Answer this simple question:- If war is waged on Iran, how can you tell when it has been won?

I think Japan can answer that one

 

[sir albion]

countrys are what they are,the world will never be one happy place.Countrys like iran and iraq although dictators rule they should be left alone.Its a know win battle end of.Places like these will use nuclear weapons and its goner happen im sure.

Only a selected few countrys have got the balls to nuke another country and these are highly relious freak countrys like iran and iraq,mind you i wouldn't bet against the russians letting a nuke loose in the future

iran
iraq
north korea
pakistan

possibly russia

It will be one of these lot to fire the nuclear beast

 

[withdeanwombat]

And Belgium.Don't forget them with their stinky sprouts and neutrality.The time is NOW..................we could beat them and all.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

So , you think this man is a threat (well I suppose he is if you are 22 yeards away from him with a bat)

Now that's what I call a weapon of mass destruction

 

[Drumstick]

I dont understand why war is the first answer/idea..... Like kids in a play ground trying to rule it...