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He called himself bushy and started posting his crap here.
I'm So glad my taxes are paying for this, what a piss take.
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He called himself bushy and started posting his crap here.
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I take it you didn't actually bother to read the article then, or the thread for that matter?
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Unfortunately for you, your reply commenting on his use of syntax contained massive errors in spelling, grammar AND syntax.
In fact, I was rather surprised it was possible to make so many mistakes in such a short post.
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you've missed an apostrophe bushy
...and a space!
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The foreign languange text should be italicised.
You REALLY shouldn't try and pull other people's grammar apart all the time yours is so bad.
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Surrey_Albion
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Completly agree, we need to get Political correctness out and start working on Morals again
Get over yourself .....
That point was in response to an earlier post by someone who thought you couldn't travel so many months into pregnancy, as if that would stop any likely 'health tourist' trying to leave Nigeria !!!
By the way if you would like to enlighten us all to why you may feel this expense is justified and why you are unable to acknowledge that someone somewhere within the NHS is losing some level of care because of this then fire away !!!
Otherwise stop huffing and puffing and try and make a valid point ......
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It should be three dots, not five. Five are just vulgar.
Yes, but it was a stupid response as the timescale in the article shows she must have flown long before that time.
Concentrating on a single case like this as if it has any relevence whatsoever is pathetic, pointless, meaningless and way beneath me.
I leave that for the pond life that take such stupid stories from the Sun and Mail seriously.
It's a single case, and it doesn't break current NHS rules. It is insignificant. A total non-story blown up by a rag.
The only VALID point there is about this story is that only a complete idiot would be in any way concerned about it.
As to "huffing and puffing", I leave that to those idiots.
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That was your biggest 'Huff' and 'Puff' yet and of course it isn't a single case is it, even you must acknowledge that there are many thousands of similar 'health tourists' and why wouldnt there be when as you suggest it didnt break NHS rules.
Why would any mother risk her babies life by giving birth in Nigeria or other third world countries when as you have suggested/supported they can come over here and enjoy first class medical care at our expense.
Why should we as a tax payer be burdened with these added and unjustifiable costs whilst others that contribute will not receive treatment, medicines or the care to the extent they would otherwise.
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Er yes, that's EXACTLY what this story is, a single case. As such, on it's own it means nothing.
Must I? Do you have some figures? How many there are, what the cost is etc etc etc. Do you even know what the rules are. I'm guessing, and it's a very educated guess, I have come across numerous posters like you before, that you have no idea on the rules you're complaining about. Hell, you couldn't even be bothered to read the article, or indeed this thread, well enough to notice that she had been over here for a few months before the birth. Hell, you only had to read the first three sentences.
Maybe you should do some research, find out what the rules actually are and get yourself at least some sort of a clue before attempting to enter into debate with people like myself who actually know what they are talking about. All the time you are arguing from a position of total and complete ignorance, then to someone like me, you are not worthy of ANYTHING but derision. NOt because I "need to get over myself", but because to have a meaningful discussion both parties need to have some knowledge of the facts. Someone who can't even be bothered to read as far as the third sentence in the article is quite simply not up to the task.
For a start, because the vast majority of people in these places can't even come close to affording the air fare, and those that can temd to use private facilities in countries far closer to home.
As to the last sentence, again, I suggest you read the actual rules. Not everyone is entitled to free health care in the UK. Indeed, not even UK citizens that don't live permanently in the UK are entitled. (I am for the moment because I reside in an EEA country, but if I stay there for another three years I stop being eligible).
Yadda yadda yadda ad infinitum, and you accuse me of "huff and puff", because that is all this is. Meaningless soundbites. If you really think that such throwaway statements without anything to back them up mean anything whatsoever then I pity you, I really do.
Oh dear, you really are going to blow the house down ....
You dont quite get it, firstly ANY health tourism disadvantage those that pay in in the first instance and might need to use their NHS, there is only a finite amount of funds available to deliver care, any 'abuse' of the system means that at some stage it will effect others more qualified to use it.
Your logic remains flawed when you try to tell me that those that can afford the 'flight' to our Country are those that would use private care nearer to home .... firstly I doubt whether there is a sizeable number that have access to the £1000's necessary to access private care, I know I don't.
After all why the hell would any self respecting Nigerian travel to other European countries hand over £1000's to a private provider when they can get it FREE here ??
You might want to validate your view, I have mine.
It seems that you feel that those from other countries irrespective of their stake in the NHS should have unfettered access to medical care, totally without accountability whilst we the tax payer fund it.
Fine your not alone many current politicians seem agree with you.
I just happen to think there as barmy as you !!!
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No, your problem is that I DO get it. This case cost an estimated £200,000, if we believe the Sun's figures. When I was working at the County over 15 years ago, the board spent twice that on a campaign to "Stamp Out Sellotape" from noticeboards. The really sad thing is that such nonsensical wastes of cash in the NHS aren't unusual. I'll tell you where the cash from the NHS goes, it goes on "executives" and pointless excessive management. "Health Tourism" is nothing more than a smokescreen hiding the real wastes of money that DO need sorting. It's a drop in the ocean.
The problem is that, factual as this is it doesn't sell newspapers to Little Englander closet racists who want to read about how all the problems of the country are due to people with funny faces coming over here from abroad. So all we get in the press is the same old bullshit which idiots like you fall for.
What proportion of Africans do you thick can afford a return flight to the UK? Let alone accomodation while they're here. Private health care abroad doesn't cost anywhere near as much as it does in the UK in some countries. Once you take off the reduced travel costs, it isn't that much more expensive. Even here in Cyprus, you can get a consulation with a specialist for just €30. The follow up is free. Having a baby here costs hundreds, not thousands. In many African private hospitals its even cheaper.
Who said anything about European countries? Not me. Indeed my words were "closer to home".
The difference between my views and yours are that mine are informed and based on evidence, yours are based on reading the headlines in the Sun and Mail (but not bothering to get as far as the third sentence, as we've already ascertained).
Maybe you'd care to point lout where I said that. What I ACTUALLY said, quite clearly, was that the rules are already pretty rigorous to stop that happening. As I pointed out, even I, a British citizen who has paid tax and NI for 20 years, won't be eligible for free NHS treatment once I've lived out of the country for 3 more years. There are SOME (few) services that are available to people who are here, but the rules are strict enough that health tourism is not a significant problem.
No, you don't. You just react, that's the problem.
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BTW, just in case you are interested in learning some actual facts and having your views challenged, here's a very good article from 2008, that last time an actual review was done on the costs of health tourism in the UK. Bear in mind that the rules have tightened up even more since this article was written.
Is 'health tourism' really draining NHS finances? Mark Gould reports | Society | The Guardian
Is 'health tourism' really draining NHS finances? Mark Gould reports | Society | The Guardian
I think this is a non starter .....
Its pointless debating your 'phantom' Nigerian private patients, I genuinely do not think any really exist.
I am also slightly reluctant to believe your information regarding The County wasting in excess of £400 000 to try and make its employees aware of not using sellotape on your noticeboards or was throughout the NHS ?
As for your 3 year rule, I am not so sure about that either, as an EU resident I am sure I can access our NHS and other European Countries healthcare too, after all why couldn't I.
If a Nigerian woman did without any previous link to our country, wouldnt it be just likely that I could too ??
I cannot help thinking your getting confused !!!
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Well,well,well it's our leftie unionista telling us to read a factual report from the Guardian. That's like saying watch Question Time for a balanced and fair debate.
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And yet you're willing to believe, without any evidence whatsoever that thousands, even millions come over here?
You cam believe what you want, it happened. They employed a fulltime excutive to deal with it and gave her a full staff. They've spent even more commissioning paintings for entrance halls and waiting rooms etc.
It's a 5 year rule. I've been here 2 years already. And it's here if you don't care to believe me: http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Healthcare/Entitlementsandcharges/OverseasVisitors/Browsable/DH_074379
As I've said, and the Guardian link adequately demonstrates, so called health tourism is insignificant when looking at wasted money in the NHS. If you REALLY care about wasted money in the NHS do some research, it isn't difficult.
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''It's a 5 year rule. I've been here 2 years already. And it's here if you don't care to believe me: http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Healthcare/E...able/DH_074379''
But hold on and think a bit ....
You have mentioned that this lady from Nigeria without any previous link to this country was entitled to come and receive this medical care, to a cost of something like £200,000 but I as a contributing British National and others wouldn't be entitled to the same if we then lived outside of England for 5 years.
Do you think this is likely ? If so why would you expect African citizens to access our NHS whilst we couldn't ?
What I don't quite understand from you, is what you think is fair and appropriate and what isn't.
My view is clear, nationals from other countries should NOT have unfettered access to our medical care without accountability whilst we the tax payer fund it, especially if their own country cannot reciprocate.
I don't think this is a particularly revolutionary stance, it just allows our own nationals access to our own health service of which we fund.
Without safeguards it remains that any abuse of this system will unavoidably effect the level of care of others, others that by virtue of being a citizen and/or contributor through taxation rightly feel they should access without fear of limitation.
But hold on and think a bit ....
You have mentioned that this lady from Nigeria without any previous link to this country was entitled to come and receive this medical care, to a cost of something like £200,000 but I as a contributing British National and others wouldn't be entitled to the same if we then lived outside of England for 5 years.
Do you think this is likely ? If so why would you expect African citizens to access our NHS whilst we couldn't ?
What I don't quite understand from you, is what you think is fair and appropriate and what isn't.
My view is clear, nationals from other countries should NOT have unfettered access to our medical care without accountability whilst we the tax payer fund it, especially if their own country cannot reciprocate.
I don't think this is a particularly revolutionary stance, it just allows our own nationals access to our own health service of which we fund.
Without safeguards it remains that any abuse of this system will unavoidably effect the level of care of others, others that by virtue of being a citizen and/or contributor through taxation rightly feel they should access without fear of limitation.