If your favourite singer committed child abuse would it put you off his/her music?

[mistahclarke]

unfortunate enough to flick through the daily mail while waiting for the dentist. Apparently Watkins was once a religious teetotaler, but online porn made him the way he was.

 

[symyjym]

Rather pedantic of you Symyjym. "it's"- The age of consent. Has 'the age of consent' got nothing to do with adults sleeping with children?

The age of consent hasn't got anything to do with children, at 15 - 16 you are midway through adolescence and soon to be a young adult.

You keep going on about pedophilia and children then mixing it with age of consent. Completely different things.

We used to only live until 25 or 30 years of age, if we were lucky, and it was natural in our evolution for the females to breed as soon as they could.

So if we are talking about a natural biological clock and the scientific reproduction age, 15-16 is about right if you are dead by 25.

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

If your favourite singer committed child abuse would it put you off his/her m...

I wonder if there is any chance of a surge in sales of Lostprophets' music, due to publicity caused by the case....

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

If your favourite singer committed child abuse would it put you off his/her m...

It's a tough one, both my girlfriend and I like Lostprophets but haven't really listened to them since as it just seems...I don't know...tarnished?

As a point of interest, what do we think the chances are of the other members of the band possibly suing him for projected loss of earnings? As they've gone from a popular band with regular airtime/concerts to being effectively non-existent, based solely upon his actions, they'd surely be justified?

Suing him for 'lostprofits', you mean?

 

[The Truth]

The age of consent hasn't got anything to do with children, at 15 - 16 you are midway through adolescence and soon to be a young adult.

You keep going on about pedophilia and children then mixing it with age of consent. Completely different things.

We used to only live until 25 or 30 years of age, if we were lucky, and it was natural in our evolution for the females to breed as soon as they could.

So if we are talking about a natural biological clock and the scientific reproduction age, 15-16 is about right if you are dead by 25.

So we're living a longer life expectancy than ever before and yet we are now bringing down the age of consent? doesn't your theory make it more absurd?

How long ago was it when our life expectancy was 25 to 30? In consideration to our current life expectancy, why are we suggesting lowering it? Do you not think it's ill timed when there's a massive pedo operation? What if some of the victims were 15 at the time?

 

[JamesAndTheGiantHead]

Lostprophets are still better than Nickleback.

 

[The Truth]

You keep going on about pedophilia and children then mixing it with age of consent. Completely different things.
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Not at alll. An adult who sleeps with soemone below the age of consent can be classified as a pedophile and put on the sex offenders list. How is that completly different?1
You keep mixing up 15 year old school girls with grown women I'm afraid. We don't live in the Tudor times anymore

 

[symyjym]

Not at alll. An adult who sleeps with soemone below the age of consent can be classified as a pedophile and put on the sex offenders list. How is that completly different?1
You keep mixing up 15 year old school girls with grown women I'm afraid. We don't live in the Tudor times anymore

A pedophile is a person 16 years of age or older who is primarily or exclusively sexually attracted to children who have not begun puberty (girls 10 years old or less, and boys 11 year old or less, on average.

You clearly don't know what you are talking about.

 

[The Truth]

A pedophile is a person 16 years of age or older who is primarily or exclusively sexually attracted to children who have not begun puberty (girls 10 years old or less, and boys 11 year old or less, on average.

You clearly don't know what you are talking about.

Average? Where did you get those statistics from or is that just your assumption? A pedophile doesn't just have sexual attraction for children, they want to control them, they groom them, they make money from, they see children as commodities. You can't just title a pedophile as someone who likes pre pubescent children.
You sir are the one who clearly doesn't know what you are talking about.

 

[symyjym]

You are an ignorant little shit.

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophile

 

[The Truth]

You are an ignorant little shit.

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophile

Calm down Symyjym, no need to get so rattled.

Wikis not exactly the best place for a psychiatric assessment of a Pedophile. There's more to them than your silly ignorant assumption that they only like children before puberty.
In consideration to the large scale of teenage pregnacy, How many 16 year old boys have you heard getting prosecuted for impregnating a 15 year old girl?

 

[Pevenseagull]

Having not read the thread



Yep


couldn't listen to it


no way

 

[Mellotron]

Average? Where did you get those statistics from or is that just your assumption? A pedophile doesn't just have sexual attraction for children, they want to control them, they groom them, they make money from, they see children as commodities. You can't just title a pedophile as someone who likes pre pubescent children.
You sir are the one who clearly doesn't know what you are talking about.

You do not understand what a paedophile is.

 

[The Truth]

You do not understand what a paedophile is.

What's your point? Any chance of elaborating? a bit of criticism is it? Anything more to the table? Has the Shamen spoken? Is this supposed to be cryptic? Are you pretending to be a Darlick? Come on Mr Mello, you obviously don't understand things too, spill the beans.......

Anyways
What have I actually mentioned which suggests what you are saying is correct? If so show me.
Any chance of explaining what a Pedo is if i'm so wrong?
I hope it's not going to be as narrow minded as Symyjyms take on them (To his credit, I think he just copy and pasted his 'knowledge' from wiki)

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Suing him for 'lostprofits', you mean?

Oh, bravo.

 

[Simster]

Calm down Symyjym, no need to get so rattled.

Wikis not exactly the best place for a psychiatric assessment of a Pedophile. There's more to them than your silly ignorant assumption that they only like children before puberty.
In consideration to the large scale of teenage pregnacy, How many 16 year old boys have you heard getting prosecuted for impregnating a 15 year old girl?

This debate proves what a grey area it really is. The legislation needs to be properly thought through, so why isn't there the appetite to do so? As usual, the Canadians have got it about right as far as I'm concerned:

http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/other-autre/clp/faq.html

What is Canada's age of consent?

The age of consent for sexual activity is 16 years. It was raised from 14 years on May 1, 2008 by the Tackling Violent Crime Act.

However, the age of consent is 18 years where the sexual activity "exploits" the young person -- when it involves prostitution, pornography or occurs in a relationship of authority, trust or dependency

Are there any exceptions to this?

The Criminal Code provides "close in age" or "peer group" exceptions.

For example, a 14 or 15 year old can consent to sexual activity with a partner as long as the partner is less than five years older and there is no relationship of trust, authority or dependency or any other exploitation of the young person. This means that if the partner is 5 years or older than the 14 or 15 year old, any sexual activity will be considered a criminal offence unless it occurs after they are married to each other (in accordance with the "solemnization" of marriage requirements that are established in each province and territory, governing how and when a marriage can be performed, including the minimum age at which someone may marry).

There is also a "close-in-age" exception for 12 and 13 year olds: a 12 or 13 year old can consent to sexual activity with another young person who is less than two years older and with whom there is no relationship of trust, authority or dependency or other exploitation of the young person.

 

[Publius Ovidius]

Having just finished a classics degree, one of the cornerstones of Greek and roman societies was patronage and influence. Supplying very young boys to the rich and powerful was seen as a legitimate leg up the social ladder. There is evidence that parents handed over their children knowing full well what was expected.

However the curious thing about the trial and eventual forced suicide of Socrates the philosopher was that he was accused of having relations with many young children!

It's is also very much a western argument here as in Pakistan for example, children as young as 13 will be put into marriages and expected to produce children as soon as they reach child bearing age.

 

[rcf0712]

yes, end of, can't listen to Gary Glitter any more and I used to think he was it, when I was about 8, eeeewwwww.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

When they get a life.

Can you answer the question please.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

You do not understand what a paedophile is.

You can add paedophilia to a list of things The Truth does not understand.